Posted by The Angel Gabriel on August 03, 1999 at 14:45:39:

In Reply to: Actually, it was more like me, Graatch, and the entirety of the smug contingent, including non-Masters. posted by Challen on August 03, 1999 at 00:19:03:

In fact, none of what challen and arolin listed here are the real reason for the non-agression reinstatement, instead they are the necessary predicates to it.
The real reason is what occurred after these events, which was the vociferous argument over the cabal channel among Arolin, Graatch, Zharradam and Malathrox. Well, and a few others chimed in as well.
For those Masters that were logged on at the time, you know that the argument was horrific and frequently laced with colorful invective.

However, in short order it was reduced to a "you are lying," "no, you are lying" back and forth and, not surprisingly given the participation of Arolin, Graatch, Zhar and Malathrox, four people who are no strangers to arguing, the argument escalated and showed an insufferable disunity and sheer ugliness that, in the end, caused Twist to act as he did.

Lets face it, had all the events occurred without comment, Twist would likely not have known about them. The same with all the past events that had already created the mountain of straw on the camel, the camel whose back was finally broken by *this* latest incident of internicine warfare on the cabal channel.
It is only because Masters were in effect fighting other masters that the policy was changed. This set of events that is the focus of this thread happened to be the last, and perhaps most egregious, but it was not the event in itself, really. It was the reactions to it and the stink to high heaven created by the players who argued over it.

I, myself, don't say who was right or wrong, or who said what, etc. That doesn't really matter anymore, this is all ancient history. I did, however, want to point out that the various attacks or specific pk's were not really what caused the reinstatement of the non-agression policy. Instead it was the attitudes and interpersonal relationships among the Masters themselves that caused it.

Oh, I also don't want to imply that I think the various chars acted wrongly with respect to their chars. Arolin and Graatch, specifically, were obstreperous and "not-back-down" types of characters (like their human players, I suspect, but who knows?) and so it made a bit of sense for their chars to bicker. However, I will say that they took it just that bit too far and we are where we are now as a result.

Thus Spake Zarathustra

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• You are right, challen is right (all except for the wolverine part).....i was duo and said on cb dont say we are raiding battle, graatch will tell challen...Graatch thinking i was some other master said on cb FUCK you (insert other masters name here)....then, [MASTER] An immortal Thats it!.......so really it was graatch's use of the F word that did it, but it was built up by me, zharradam, malathrox and graatch in regards to Challen Arolin 8/03/99 (0)
• *sigh* The all caps title above refers to the fact that if you click on challen's post, you will see three more followups from me, none of which are supposed to be there, hence the "all other posts are useless." Obviously, I did not mean to say that the posts *ABOVE* challen's, those that came before, were useless. Only that among the ones you may see of me, here, that one was the correct one. n/t (as if this wasn't long enough :P) The Angel Gabriel 8/03/99 (0)

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