Posted by Grallon on May 26, 2000 at 06:32:47:
In Reply to: Overpowered Tattoo? Shokai your insights please. posted by Minalcar, Warlord of Asmodeus on May 24, 2000 at 13:49:59:
Well, I read all of the responses, and here is my addition/response.
It seems to me you are complaining about two things. I will address them seperately.
1) The fact that the thing hit you for that much damage.
2) the fact that he fled and then taunted you, knowing there was no skill involved.
Now, As you said, When you got your specs back, you probably lost (if it exists) the extra vuln to holy that changing to evil gives you. BUT, that does not mean that you can quest as a cloud giant to get your Cloud giant vuln removed. And the fact that you are evil also makes you vuln to wrath.
So while you may not be AS vuln as some previous cloud giant empires, you are still twice as vuln as the normal evil char. I have had an evil rager that was Pfired, Sure I fled, but it didnt do more than 300 hp damage to me, if that much, and I survived.
You also said that it should be toned down because it takes no skill, and there was absolutely zero you could have done about it.
So you want everything that someone can do NOTHING about to be modified...well, let me play devil's advocate.
As Grallon I faught alot of Ragers...I can not tell you how many times I would get one choked, strip all their weapons, cranial them, boneshatter them, have them at gushing with me at 800-900 hp...only to have them hit 2 deathblows and me die. Four time this happened through sanc, armor and stoneskin, and it happened MANY more times without them...my point is, hero deathblow is an automatic skill, I had perfected defenses...there is zero I could have done to keep them from getting those deathblows off, And I will tell you what, every time a rager would kill me like that (after I was winning hands down, only to be deathblow'ed) they would strut and talk to me, call me weak...etc. How is that different from the situation you have just said? It isnt. But if I had posted any of those logs I have of that happening, I am willing to bet a grand that you would have at least thought "shut your mouth, you whiner, deal with it" if not posted something to that effect.
Not all race/class/cabal/tattoes can stand toe to toe with all other r/c/c/t comboes. Sometimes it is the whole paper-scissors-rock game. It just so happens that as a pair of scissors, you have been used to at least kicking ass against all the paper around...you just got hit by a rock and smashed up...so you are calling "UNFAIR". Just because the scissor has no (obvious *wink*)way of defeating the rock, does not mean that the rock is all powerfull and invincible. Some of that paper can take down the rock as easily as you took down the paper, and as easily as the rock took you down.
This sort of dynamic interplay of powers is what makes cf interesting. There is no single r/c/c/t combo that can stand toe to toe with every other r/c/c/t combo (not counting lich). You happened to pick a VERY powerfull r/c/c/t combination, and are VERY good at taking advantage of the strengths of that combo, but just because another r/c/c/t combo has a strength that specifically works against one of your combo's very few weaknesses, does not mean it should be toned down.
You have to look at the big picture. Most people roll a char, get beat by another in a way that they could do nothing to hinder, and claim foul, but they do not realize that (not counting lich) for EVERY char, there is something that can walk all over you. Period. This is what makes cf good. It just so happens that you havent found what could walk all over you until now. That does not mean that you can not beat him. There are always ways to beat your nemesis, it just requires more unique and imaginative tactics. If you have tried every tactic physically possible for you to try, and you die every time, then yes it should be toned down. Otherwise, it is perfectly balanced.
now for how he reacted.
who cares if there was no skill involved. You are evil, he is a maran, he hates you, BAD. If I had hitler in a boxing ring, and he had his arms tied together, and his knee broken, I would not only kick his ass, but I would taunt him and call him all sorts of kinds of poone. Marans are Fanatics. They are the Jihad. Of course they are going to let their emotion and faith take control of their actions and words every now and then. It might have been lame ooc, and "not nice" ooc, but in char, it made sense.
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