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*****Hollow_Man is Scarabaeus. Mark__ is Graatch. I'm sorry for the excess stuff but I dont feel like editing it all out. I leave conclusions and judgments to you. I didn't get it all and as you can see I had to reconnect a few times so I missed a little bit, but I think the beginning was that Scara claimed Graatch had imm sources and Graatch said he had no current ones, only past ones. If anyone was there at the start, you can give the beginning part.******
[23:37] *** Challen sets mode: +v Mark__
[23:37] *** Challen sets mode: +m
[23:37] dev- Told you I could
[23:38] Ghost_Wolf I do not think he heard your deal, since Dev was fucking around with the mod
[23:38] dev- He did.
[23:38] dev- If everyone else saw it, he did
[23:38] Mark__ what is the deal?
[23:38] Challen No one was fucking around with anything. I just wanted to cut down on the chatter. Anyway.
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[23:39] Mark__ you think I'm cheating?
[23:39] Mark__ rofl
[23:39] Mark__ that's funny
[23:39] Hollow_Man then I will personally fuck up every character you roll up from here on out.
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[23:39] Hollow_Man You'll never join another cabal
[23:39] Hollow_Man and every character will be crippled
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[23:40] Hollow_Man and if someone points out who you are, I'll cripple that character as well
[23:40] Hollow_Man because you know what?
[23:40] Hollow_Man I'm really fuckin sick of the diseased integrity of this game.
[23:40] Hollow_Man And it's going to end.
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[23:45] Mark__ and I'd think that would be pretty damn clear from the chars I've playd, who had no special powers, no big pk'ing, no big advantages
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[23:45] -Chelisa- No Lag Detected. Your ping reply is: -10841 Seconds 5,15 °( 2D 12 a r k 2S 12 t y l e 15- 2P 12 r o 5 )°
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[23:45] Hollow_Man I'll word this for you so you don't have to resort to lawyer-speak on me
[23:46] Mark__ You want to ask me how I know something that you think I know, fine, go ahead. I know your source, and I'll answer about the example I gave him.
[23:46] Mark__ But I doubt it is something to talk about in public
[23:46] Mark__ But like I said, I learned it when I was Scaurus, a year ago.
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[23:46] *** Challen sets mode: +m
[23:46] Mark__ what the hell is that +m?
[23:47] Challen Moderating the channel so others can't talk.
[23:47] * Challen shrugs.
[23:47] Mark__ oh
[23:47] Hollow_Man You've made references to "your immortal sources". This either means you're a liar that enjoys pretending to be a hot-shot that's in the know, or you're telling the truth
[23:47] Hollow_Man Which are you?
[23:48] Mark__ What are you, fucked in the head? YOu think I'd simply start pointing fingers here, in public? Guerric has told me things in the last few months, why dont you ask him?
[23:49] Hollow_Man Why not point fingers here? I have no qualms with it.
[23:49] Hollow_Man I have no reason to hide this from the players.
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[23:49] Mark__ You want to play this game? Fine. How far back do you want me to go?
[23:50] Hollow_Man Start wherever you like.
[23:50] Mark__ No, I asked you, how far back would you like me to go?
[23:50] Mark__ You want to do this, fine. It's on your head. You tell me how far back you'd like me to go
[23:50] Hollow_Man You can start where it began. When you didn't have an immortal character and you were being fed information.
[23:51] Mark__ Before my last immortal?
[23:51] Hollow_Man nope. after.
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[23:51] Mark__ Oh, so the Imps telling me stuff before my last immortal is ok?
[23:51] Mark__ selective integrity. Ok, let me think
[23:51] Hollow_Man Fine. Before then.
[23:52] Mark__ Do these people know you are doing this?
[23:52] Hollow_Man What people?
[23:52] Mark__ The rest of the Imm staff. The 58+ at least
[23:53] Hollow_Man Are they listening in? No. Are they aware that I'm the default guy that hunts this shit down? Yes.
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[23:54] Mark__ you get the imm staff, imps at least, to tell me they are willing to have me reveal which among them has ever told me stuff over the years, and I'll be happy to.
[23:54] Mark__ I'm not going to go naming names -- and I've said twice, there is no immortal right now telling me anything at all -- on just your say so. It's your own friends who I will be discussing, from the past.
[23:54] Mark__ And I wont do that and I dont care what you do to me.
[23:55] Hollow_Man If someone is breaking the immortal rules, imp or not, would you not agree that any administrator with integrity would fix the problem?
[23:56] Mark__ You see, you just have to trust me that no rules were broken, no advantages given, and humorously enough, nothing you could do to anyone about it. There is no current immortal who is currently feeding me information.
[23:56] Mark__ What's more
[23:56] Mark__ You'll just have to trust me. And why should you trust me you ask?
[23:56] Mark__ Well, look at the example I gave your source that started all this
[23:56] Mark__ I knew about it before even most 58+s, two years ago
[23:56] Mark__ did I ever tell anyone?
[23:56] Mark__ No.
[23:57] Mark__ What's really funny is that the information I've gotten in the past is generally personal information, not code type, and yet there are *plenty* of immortals that share real pk and code information with their friends, give special bonuses to their friends, etc
[23:57] Mark__ one among them being here, now.
[23:57] * Mark__ shrugs.
[23:58] Mark__ But I, who never gets any benefits, rather I get negative treatment from some already in the admin of the game, am now the subject of your little public inquisition.
[23:58] Hollow_Man That's hardly a reason to trust you, Mark. And if you ever read the immortal rules when you played an immortal (I assume you read those, right?) then you know that "trust me" is an invalid answer.
[23:59] Mark__ When you start acting like a professional and a real administrator, come talk to me about reading rules.
[23:59] Mark__ you come here, in front of a bunch of idiots, and start asking crap like this
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[23:59] Hollow_Man This isn't a business, Mark. This is a service we provide for free. There is no "the customer is always right" mentality here.
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[00:00] Mark__ you have nothing to base it on, nothing but personal animus, and nothing but questions that are phrased to be damned if you do, damned if you dont. "Have you stopped beating your wife, sir?"
[00:00] Hollow_Man And you can toss out the "Hey! Look over there!" comments all you want.
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[00:00] Mark__ Seeing as how I've donated about 200 dollars, it aint free, but that's besides the point
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[00:00] Mark__ point is, DIfferent immortals have told me things at different times. None of the current staff are currently telling me anything secret.
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[00:00] Hollow_Man Money doesn't blind any of us to cheating.
[00:01] Hollow_Man You can donate a million dollars and I'll still deny you for cheating.
[00:01] Hollow_Man There is no implied bonus for anyone that does so.
[00:01] Mark__ wonderful. Seeing as how I've not cheated, I should have nothing to fear.
[00:01] Mark__ Let me repeat
[00:01] Mark__ point is, DIfferent immortals have told me things at different times. None of the current staff are currently telling me anything secret.
[00:02] Hollow_Man That's true. I imagine this very minute they aren't.
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[00:02] Hollow_Man That's like saying, "No, I'm not beating my wife at this moment."
[00:02] Mark__ oh please, and you say *I'm* talking lawyer like?
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[00:03] Mark__ Ask yourself this, Guerric here told me he's been coding something new for the game for weeks now, something big. I came back two weeks later and asked again, what it was. You think I would not know such a "big" new addition to the game if I had some secret source?
[00:03] Hollow_Man That's not the information I'm talking about.
[00:03] Mark__ Anyway, like I said, if you want me to reveal the names of Imms who have told me things in the past, you have the Imps send me email, or come here, or some way say "yeah, go ahead"
[00:03] Mark__ then which information are you talking about?
[00:03] Mark__ you want to do this in public, go ahead
[00:04] Mark__ say it
[00:04] * Mark__ waits.
[00:04] Hollow_Man It's common knowledge that coders in fact "coding".
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[00:04] Mark__ You didnt even have the courtesy to talk to me in private
[00:04] Mark__ what information are you referring to?
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[00:04] Hollow_Man Is there a need to be courteous? Would your answer have been any different? You told another immortal you wouldn't reveal your sources privately. Why would you do so for me?
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[00:05] *** Nickname: 02 Hollow_Man Ident: 02 sacer
[00:05] *** Real name: 02 SphereMaker
[00:05] *** Host-address: 02 dynamic42.pm13.san-jose.best.com
[00:05] *** Origin: 02 US Commerical
[00:05] *** On channel(s): 02 +#carrionfields
[00:05] *** On server: 02 lineone.uk.eu.dal.net (LineOne Internet, UK)
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[00:05] Mark__ Maybe we're talking about different things. So tell me, what information are you asking about?
[00:05] Mark__ what information are you referring to?
[00:05] Hollow_Man let's start with character histories.
[00:05] Mark__ Give me a specific, maybe I've already been given permission to discuss it from whoever I learned it from
[00:05] Mark__ Well, I learned the existence of character histories from you.
[00:06] Mark__ next?
[00:06] Hollow_Man Fine. I'll be specific.
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[00:06] Hollow_Man Perhaps you would be so kind as to reveal who is reading character histories to you?
[00:06] Hollow_Man Or is that too vague?
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[00:06] Hollow_Man Or should I say
[00:07] Hollow_Man "providing you with history information" since they might be using cut and paste instead of actually READing it to you?
[00:07] Hollow_Man don't be an idiot
[00:07] Mark__ heh
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[00:08] Mark__ I haven't said anything in what is commonly referred to as "lawyer talk". I've spoken straightforwardly, with the common meanings of every word I've spoken, since this little witchhunt started.
[00:08] Mark__ To answer your question
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[00:08] Mark__ Nobody has read or pasted me any history since about December or November, and even then, nobody ever said anything about anyone's history but my own chars
[00:09] Mark__ you want to know who, you do what I said, and have the imps or preferable 58+ say that they are all behind your little stunt.
[00:10] Mark__ any way you want them to, via email, here, whatever.
[00:10] Mark__ but when an imp who has done someting to help you that doesn't give you any edge over anyone else in thg ame, doesn't give you any game specific information other than how you personally are being treated and thought of by the imms, I'm not going to betray him or her on your say so
[00:11] Mark__ especially given how it's over a year old
[00:11] * Hollow_Man holds up a hand.
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[00:11] Mark__ unlike *other* things that are currently going on, where imms are giving their friends *real* information, not just information bout their chars, but information on how the game works, and how to do things you need imm info to do
[00:12] Hollow_Man That's another "look over there" thread. We're not talking about that right now.
[00:12] Mark__ yeah, we are. If not, what is it we are talking about?
[00:12] Hollow_Man I'll explain it to you.
[00:12] Hollow_Man We're asking you who your immortal feed is. Or who they are plural.
[00:12] Hollow_Man Or who they have been in the past.
[00:13] Hollow_Man I think it's pretty clear what I'm asking you.
[00:13] Hollow_Man Jullias is downloading a client to show up here.
[00:13] Mark__ And I've been pretty clear too. I have no "immortal feed" now. I havent in quite a while.
[00:13] Hollow_Man Is that good enough?
[00:13] Hollow_Man I don't consider a couple months "quite a while"
[00:14] Mark__ certainly a start.
[00:14] Hollow_Man If you're fucking jerking my chain and he shows up and you continue to stall, you can save us all the time.
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[00:15] Mark__ like I said, no current imm has told me anything since about november or december. At that time, two imms told me about my char history. Prior even to that, when I was scaurus, and shortly afterwards, there were one or two who did similarly.
[00:16] Mark__ but lets see what Jullias has to say when he gets here. I'm very much looking forward to talking to Steve.
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[00:17] Mark__ what's funny is that even now I haven't, and wont, reveal the things that I was told as scaurus for example, that are game secret. or other secrets I've learned about which imm played which chars, etc. I'm so glad that such integrity is being treated so highly.
[00:18] Hollow_Man So your story just changed. You're also being told which imms played which chars.
[00:18] Hollow_Man I thought you were only told history information.
[00:18] Mark__ heh, after the mort died.
[00:18] Mark__ nice try though
[00:19] Hollow_Man That's odd, you just recently told a character "I know you play X, my immortal sources told me."
[00:19] Mark__ and, of course, when they morts were still alive, I was scaurus, and you said not to discuss things I learned as an Imm
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[00:19] Hollow_Man that's mighty noble of you
[00:19] Hollow_Man holding to an agreement, that is
[00:20] Mark__ Jullias is downloading irc you say?
[00:20] Hollow_Man he's connecting now
[00:20] * Mark__ nods.
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[00:21] Hollow_Man He's never used IRC. Give him a moment.
[00:22] Mark__ I'm not going anywhere.
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[00:29] Challen In the meantime
[00:29] *** Challen sets mode: -m
[00:29] Bob-X hehe
[00:30] Jento thank you
[00:30] Bob-X Intermition?
[00:30] Jagaub I would have to say, the most stirring part of that conversation was when Mark denied everything.
[00:30] Jagaub I'm looking forward to what comes next!
[00:30] * Josh-- cackles.
[00:30] Ghost_Wolf heh
[00:30] Jento lol
[00:30] Nesam I felt like I was in the Realm of the Dead.
[00:30] Lynxaria I have all my fish rotting for lack of slapping
[00:30] Nesam Your message didn't get through
[00:30] Bob-X I have the whole thing logged for later enjoyment
[00:30] Jagaub and frozen
[00:30] Nesam awwww
[00:30] Lynxaria I am telling you
[00:30] Nesam not that I have been there much.
[00:30] `Shady Wow...one of those shootings in Pittsburgh happened about 100 yards away from where I work
[00:30] [Delacroix] I kind of have a funny realm of the dead story
[00:30] Josh-- Ive been in the realm of the dead way to much.
[00:30] Josh-- heh
[00:30] Jagaub nor I :)
[00:31] Jagaub Not since about 5 years ago.
[00:31] Bleiweiss This is the best day on #carrionfields since we took over #cf from Glimo!
[00:31] Challen We?
[00:31] `Shady That wasn't such a great day.
[00:31] `Shady Only for you it was.
[00:31] dev- No, that was a great day for you
[00:31] Lynxaria I don't agree
[00:31] Lynxaria It wasn't a great day
[00:31] `Shady The worst day in #cf history was Graatch taking it over.
[00:31] Lynxaria but good when you practice with an invoker
[00:32] Lynxaria something to read when you spam
[00:32] Challen Ben, didn't you promise me something when I unbanned you just now? :P
[00:32] dev- That he'd never, ever talk again?
[00:32] nagaash What's going on?
[00:32] Ghost_Wolf heh
[00:32] [Delacroix] Sheesh, Challen
[00:32] dev- Or that he'd stop going in #phonesex? :P
[00:32] [Delacroix] There's an Immortal in your blood
[00:32] Challen you left off an x
[00:32] Challen it's phonesexx
[00:32] dev- eheheeh
[00:32] dev- ma bad :P
[00:32] Bleiweiss Yeah, you said that I shouldn't talk until we were unmoderated ;)
[00:33] dev- I don't get the point of two x's
[00:33] Lynxaria shoudl be three no?
[00:33] dev- one x is normal, three is like you have the triple x thing going
[00:33] * {Asa} coughs 'CUNT'
[00:33] dev- two is just like...blah
[00:33] Ghost_Wolf two is for the xx large people
[00:33] Bleiweiss But I'll be quiet anyway
[00:33] Bob-X heh asa
[00:33] dev- fattyphonesexx
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[00:34] Hollow_Man is the nick used by someone else?
[00:34] dev- that was anticlimactic
[00:34] Challen no
[00:34] Challen it's not registered
[00:34] dev- no, it would have given a different message
[00:35] Challen -*NickServ*- The nick jullias is not registered.
[00:35] Ghost_Wolf might have lag problems or server problems
[00:35] Hollow_Man he says he sees @Jullias on the far right side
[00:36] Hollow_Man and that's it
[00:36] dev- wrong server
[00:36] Ghost_Wolf he's in a split room
[00:36] dev- tell him to type /server liberty.nj.us.dal.net
[00:36] Ghost_Wolf he needs to join one of our servers
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[00:37] * Josh-- nods.
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[00:37] Josh-- Intermission!
[00:37] `Shady HAR
[00:37] [hastur] dam mirc keeps crashing :(
[00:37] `Shady Jullias no be knowing how to work the IRC methinks.
[00:38] * Josh-- frowns as thieves ravage his province.
[00:38] Bleiweiss I wonder if we could have a Q&A session with two of the most important IMMS in the game after this whole incident?
[00:38] Bleiweiss It'd be cool to have that on IRC :)
[00:38] Hollow_Man "no more connections allowed in your connection class"
[00:38] Josh-- I always thought I was more important.
[00:38] dev- server's full
[00:38] Challen tell him to just keep trying
[00:38] dev- have him keep trying
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[00:38] *** Jewel_Marie is on IRC
[00:38] `Shady Tell him to change servers.
[00:38] Josh-- You can ask me questions
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[00:38] `Shady To like Hebron or something
[00:38] Ghost_Wolf tell him to try /server us.dal.net
[00:39] LloraC sodre.nj.us.dal.net is working.
[00:39] Bleiweiss Tell him to keep connecting
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[00:39] Bleiweiss No
[00:39] Bleiweiss Use liberty.dal.net
[00:39] `Shady People like Challen are hogging the NYC connection.
[00:39] `Shady Fuckers.
[00:39] Bleiweiss Just connect over and over until it hits
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[00:44] Jagaub Next time on #carrionfields!
[00:44] Jagaub Will Jullias have a good connection?
[00:44] Jewel_Marie Challen gets a tumor
[00:44] Bleiweiss liberty.dal.net
[00:44] Jagaub Will Dev be permabanned?
[00:44] Lynxaria wait wait
[00:44] Jagaub Wait and see!
[00:44] Lynxaria intermission
[00:44] Lynxaria I can use my rotten fish
[00:44] * Lynxaria slaps Jagaub around a bit with a large trout
[00:44] {Asa} l
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[00:44] Jagaub Will Jagaub eat Lynxaria's fish?
[00:44] Jagaub Only one way to find out..
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[00:44] Josh-- Jullius can drive to my house and use my comp
[00:44] Josh-- hehe
[00:44] {Asa} Whats the only spell a fire giant can learn ?
[00:44] Bleiweiss You'd think that Jullias would be a little bit more computer savvy ;)
[00:44] Jagaub stay tuned to #carrionfields!
[00:44] Josh-- Im probaly not that far away
[00:44] Lynxaria be careful Jagaub
[00:45] Lynxaria you might get sick
[00:45] Lynxaria those fish just tor there not being able to slap
[00:45] {Asa} Dis Spell.....
[00:45] Lynxaria just rot
[00:45] * {Asa} snickers
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[00:45] `Shady Well, I think I'm going to have to roll 10 stats at a time from this socket.
[00:45] `Shady Seeing that Jullias is too occupied with IRC right now.
[00:45] Jento lol
[00:45] * Lynxaria slaps `Shady around a bit with a large trout
[00:46] Challen that way you'll have a character to delete 10 times sooner?
[00:46] Lynxaria that deserve a slap
[00:46] `Shady Heh...
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[00:46] `Shady Yep.
[00:46] *** Challen sets mode: +v Jullias
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[00:46] Jewel_Marie got a 1 sec ping
[00:46] Challen that should work now
[00:46] Lynxaria [Jullias PING reply]: 3 secs
[00:46] Josh-- Intermission over!
[00:46] Hollow_Man There you go.
[00:46] *** Challen sets mode: +m
[00:47] Hollow_Man Apparently Mark will only reveal information if there's some kind of IMP approval. So. There you go. We went through a lot of trouble and got you an IMP.
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[00:47] Ghost_Wolf p
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[00:50] Hollow_Man must you talk privately?
[00:51] Jullias I just work here.
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[00:52] Hollow_Man Mark has "done nothing wrong" but is afraid to talk publicly about what he hasn't done wrong. I find this disturbing.
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[00:54] Challen (Yes, CF just crashed, to the 15 people who just msg'd me)
[00:55] Ghost_Wolf heh
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[00:57] Hollow_Man Yes, they are talking privately.
[00:57] * Hollow_Man shakes his head.
[00:59] Challen Objections to my unmoderating it in the meantime?
[01:00] Challen I'll take that as a no
[01:00] *** Challen sets mode: -m
[01:00] Hollow_Man This is fucking ridiculous. Go ahead.
[01:00] * Jagaub stretches his fingers.
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[01:00] Melissandra Thanks
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[01:00] Lynxaria just doesn't have to be a show
[01:00] Lynxaria that's all
[01:00] [hastur] whats Ridiculous ?
[01:00] * Josh-- nods.
[01:00] * Josh-- flexes.
[01:00] Hollow_Man Thank you, Lynxaria.
[01:01] Hollow_Man However
[01:02] `Shady Scarab nicely orchestrated this extravaganza for us.
[01:02] `Shady And they have to go talk privately.
[01:02] Lynxaria shake
[01:02] `Shady Tsk.
[01:02] Hollow_Man wouldn't you rather know the truth?
[01:02] Lynxaria it might have serve as exemple right
[01:02] Jagaub I personally think the conversation happened in the realm of the dead... with everything spoken being echoed to all players on cf.
[01:02] [hastur] I dont me to be rude, and many have probably asked this before, but what is going on ?
[01:02] Lynxaria but we all know how Mark can be
[01:02] Jagaub err, should happen, rather.
[01:02] Ghost_Wolf Oh..we know the truth about mark. An arrogrant ass who thinks his way is the only right way. and if you do not agree, then your an "idiot" as he so exclaimed about us
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[01:02] Lynxaria so a resume will be truth enough
[01:03] Lynxaria wait ghost I am a liar in his eyes
[01:03] Hollow_Man Don't tell me we go through the trouble of bringing you an IMP and you're going to just slide right out of that as well.
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[01:04] Lynxaria actually Hollow
[01:04] Lynxaria It is mark decision
[01:04] Bleiweiss Andy, why are you even giving him a chance? Hasn't he screwed up enough over the years?
[01:04] Lynxaria might hate the guy
[01:04] Lynxaria doesn't mean I can show respect
[01:04] Lynxaria can't that is
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[01:05] Hollow_Man Sophie, I know you mean well, but please.
[01:05] Lynxaria shh
[01:05] Lynxaria I know
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[01:05] Lynxaria *blink*
[01:05] *** Retrieving #carrionfields info...
[01:05] [hastur] Okay I gather this is about Graham, Can i ask for a little more Information ?
[01:05] Lynxaria I just grab my fish and slap
[01:05] Shezedra well gasp and shock
[01:05] Shezedra its Jewel
[01:05] * Lynxaria slaps Shezedra around a bit with a large trout
[01:06] * Shezedra smiles.
[01:06] Jewel_Marie Hey Shez
[01:06] * Jewel_Marie smiles
[01:06] [Delacroix] I looked at your page, Shezedra
[01:06] [Delacroix] It's nice
[01:06] Jewel_Marie nice? It's wonderful
[01:06] Shezedra thank you. nice is good....right?
[01:07] Hollow_Man Know what, Jullias? Forget it. He's going to jerk you around for a half hour and tell you nothing. There's always going to be one more condition to be met before he'd tell you anything and it isn't going to happen. I'll deal with his characters.
[01:07] [Delacroix] (little bent toward necromancer types, though)
[01:07] Lynxaria and cat cat cute
[01:07] Shezedra hay
[01:07] * Lynxaria slaps [Delacroix] around a bit with a large trout
[01:07] Shezedra im a necromancer
[01:07] * Shezedra shrugs
[01:07] Jewel_Marie Actually I was going to talk to her about it :)
[01:07] Shezedra what can i say
[01:07] [Delacroix] That explains it
[01:07] Jewel_Marie Shez are you up for more drawings?
[01:07] [Delacroix] heh
[01:07] Shezedra always am.
[01:07] Shezedra ive got three that im doing right now, though
[01:07] Challen Whose?
[01:08] [Delacroix] Mark, just tell them your sources, if you have a source. This is just a game
[01:08] Shezedra thror, scrab, golmagus. and that other lich someday
[01:08] Shezedra whatsher face, K something
[01:08] Jewel_Marie damn you Shezedra
[01:08] Lynxaria see lich
[01:08] Hollow_Man "Scrab"??
[01:08] Lynxaria all lich
[01:08] Challen hehe
[01:08] Lynxaria except a dwarf
[01:08] Shezedra scarab
[01:08] Bleiweiss So
[01:09] Hollow_Man "SCRAB"???
[01:09] [Delacroix] I hated Golmagus, by the way, Hollow Man
[01:09] Shezedra im trying to do do all the liches
[01:09] Hollow_Man Good, that was the idea.
[01:09] Mark__ Oh, I see. Integrity is based on the importance of the subject. Not likely. And I said it before, I dont have any imm telling me anything now, not since the fall, like I said.
[01:09] [Delacroix] You attacked me with your damned guards outside of town
[01:09] Bleiweiss Is there anything exciting and new coming up in the world of CF anytime soon?
[01:09] [Delacroix] and I was so bitter, I wrote note to Bria :P
[01:09] Hollow_Man What the fuck are you talking about, Mark?
[01:09] Josh-- hehe
[01:09] Josh-- sucks going to the evil cleric
[01:10] Josh-- when scrab isnt on
[01:10] Josh-- cause it hurts
[01:10] Josh-- hehe
[01:10] Shezedra sucks? are you kidding?
[01:10] Shezedra i had a blast
[01:10] Josh-- well
[01:10] Josh-- with soernga
[01:10] Jewel_Marie killing the cleric?
[01:10] Josh-- I went with
[01:10] Josh-- a dude
[01:10] Josh-- and
[01:10] Josh-- we went in
[01:10] Josh-- and cleric fooked us
[01:10] Josh-- heh
[01:11] dev- nah
[01:11] dev- wait till someone tracks the cleric to the graveyard
[01:11] dev- and quits out
[01:11] dev- that's always fun
[01:11] Bleiweiss Can we go back to being moderated?
[01:11] Bleiweiss Or could someone fill us in on what is going on here, or what is suspected?
[01:11] Hollow_Man Did anyone understand his statement?
[01:11] Josh-- No
[01:11] Bleiweiss Yes
[01:11] [Delacroix] Who's statement?
[01:11] Josh-- I like letting my fingers type random useless garbage.
[01:11] Bleiweiss He was talking to Jullias in private, and typed the wrong thing in the wrong window, Scarab
[01:12] {Starlan_} Marks...
[01:12] Hollow_Man " Integrity is based on the importance of the subject. "
[01:12] Bleiweiss MOst likely
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[01:12] [Delacroix] Oh
[01:12] Lynxaria does that have to do with weight?
[01:12] Bleiweiss You know
[01:12] [Delacroix] i said it was just a game, maybe
[01:12] [Delacroix] *shrugs*
[01:12] Mark__ no, i was replying to delacroix
[01:12] Shezedra scarab is here?
[01:12] Mark__ who said "It's just a game."
[01:12] [Delacroix] I can see client confidentiality when it matters
[01:12] Josh-- It is just a game
[01:13] Bleiweiss Wouldn't it be incredibly amazing if it turned out that me and Mark were the same person orchestrated to be each other's alibi?
[01:13] Bleiweiss hehe
[01:13] Mark__ but it being just a game doesn't matter. Integrity is integrity. And I have it.
[01:13] [Delacroix] But, damn, this is like monopoly
[01:13] dev- it's not a game, it's a lifestyle!
[01:13] Josh-- its a lousy game, where you stare at a screen of text for 8 hours then feel like shit afterwards
[01:13] * Shezedra eyes everyone.
[01:13] Lynxaria yes right
[01:13] Lynxaria do we have to bring back a certain matter now that Mike is here
[01:13] * Lynxaria slaps Mark__ around a bit with a large trout
[01:13] [Delacroix] I dunno. You have two IMPS here
[01:13] [Delacroix] I doubt they're going to come down hard on your source
[01:14] Josh-- And one Gimp
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[01:14] [Delacroix] I suspect they're doing this in the open because they don't think you even have a source
[01:14] * Hollow_Man just boggles.
[01:14] [Delacroix] and are calling you on it
[01:14] Hollow_Man This is being done in the open for a couple reasons.
[01:15] Hollow_Man I'll even list them.
[01:15] [Delacroix] Heh
[01:15] [GImp]Josh-- to provice entertainment for one
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[01:15] [Delacroix] That would have been a mean teaser if you didn't
[01:15] Hollow_Man no, entertainment is not an issue
[01:15] Hollow_Man this is digust
[01:15] * Lynxaria slaps [GImp]Josh-- around a bit with a large trout
[01:15] Hollow_Man disgust
[01:16] Hollow_Man (1) When you suddenly see an immortal disappear from the pantheon, there are going to be stories floating around about what happened.
[01:16] * [GImp]Josh-- sobs.
[01:16] [GImp]Josh-- But its always entertaining to watch graatch and asihara make fools of themselves.
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[01:16] [Delacroix] All right..
[01:17] Hollow_Man I think it's important that should that occur, the player base understand that it's a matter that we take seriously.
[01:17] [Delacroix] Should stories floating around occur, you mean?
[01:17] [Delacroix] Or did someone hit on the exact story?
[01:17] [GImp]Josh-- woa... graatch was an imm? hehe
[01:17] Bleiweiss Which immortal?
[01:17] Mark__ he's not talking about me, Josh
[01:17] Bleiweiss Are we talking about Twist?
[01:17] Lynxaria Challen bring back the moderate?
[01:18] Lynxaria getting hard to follow and understand here:P
[01:18] Hollow_Man (2) I'm tired of having a hundred little whispering campaigns going on.
[01:18] [Delacroix] Ugh. Been to IRC often, or the forum? 2 will be hard to change
[01:18] [Delacroix] And I can understand #2.
[01:18] [GImp]Josh-- oh
[01:18] Shezedra does anyone have Orodeaths desc?
[01:18] [Delacroix] So if I'm understanding you: Mark is close to being right about some rumour he spread
[01:18] Mark__ what's funny is that *I* have been railing about that myself for quite a while now, Scar. How there are little pockets of people who know more about how the game works than they should, how people cheat, etc.
[01:19] Hollow_Man instead of a hundred iterations of "he said, she said" we're going to cut to the chase
[01:19] [GImp]Josh-- na me
[01:19] Bleiweiss Why do it here, though?
[01:19] Hollow_Man So, if it happens, you might as well be a participant?
[01:19] Bleiweiss Why not just ban him, post something to the forum, and make a statement, instead of this ridiculous public spectacle?
[01:19] Hollow_Man You don't want to miss out on it?
[01:20] [GImp]Josh-- I would imm... but... they didnt approve of my utinsel area I wrote.
[01:20] * [GImp]Josh-- nods.
[01:20] [hastur] it's a game, accept that people will always cheat.
[01:20] Hollow_Man I think it's actually someone useful for you folks to see what is going on.
[01:20] Mark__ are you deaf or just being annoying? I'm not a participant and I've never gotten any information like that at all
[01:20] Hollow_Man somewhat, that is
[01:21] [GImp]Josh-- Everyone on Irc cheats. They just dont admit it.
[01:21] [Delacroix] Got it:
[01:21] [Delacroix] But realistically
[01:21] [Delacroix] 1. No one knows what imm you're talking about
[01:21] [Delacroix] 2. No one knows if Mark cheated, or just spread rumors
[01:21] Lynxaria yes we do
[01:21] Lynxaria that's the point Del
[01:21] Hollow_Man Can we go back to moderated?
[01:21] *** Challen sets mode: +m
[01:21] Challen Done.
[01:21] Hollow_Man I'll bring in another friend.
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[01:22] Hollow_Man To answer your question
[01:23] Hollow_Man I am not deaf. I am probably annoying. You have, however, received information you shouldn't have.
[01:23] Hollow_Man This is in violation of the spirit of the game.
[01:23] Mark__ Not from an immortal, not recently. Not in months.
[01:23] Mark__ Like I've said about six times so far.
[01:24] Hollow_Man Does it matter if it happened now or four months ago, Mr. Integrity?
[01:24] Hollow_Man Does integrity have a time limit?
[01:24] Hollow_Man I hadn't noticed that.
[01:25] Hollow_Man You now have TWO imps you can pour your heart out to.
[01:25] Hollow_Man Or waste the time of.
[01:26] Hollow_Man If what you're talking about isn't a big deal, then you have no reason to hide it, do you?
[01:26] * Hollow_Man dons his swastika.
[01:26] Hollow_Man There, I'll wear a black hat and we can be Good IMM, Bad IMM, if that makes it easier.
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[01:33] Hollow_Man Alright, Challen.
[01:33] Challen Yes?
[01:33] Hollow_Man Have anything to add to this conversation?
[01:33] * Challen nods.
[01:33] Hollow_Man I think we're all waiting for it.
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[01:33] Challen The "piece of information" in question isn't remotely common knowledge, so I'm not going to elaborate on it.
[01:34] Challen In fact, it wasn't even a fact.
[01:34] Challen To my knowledge, anyway.
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[01:34] Challen It was a strong hunch that I had, and mentioned in passing, based on general observations. Nothing anyone told me they shouldn't have.
[01:34] Challen I didn't realize that's what all this was about
[01:34] Challen until like three minutes ago
[01:34] Challen or I'd have said something earlier
[01:35] Hollow_Man We're talking about several things.
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[01:36] Hollow_Man Let me ask you a question.
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[01:36] Challen Sure.
[01:36] Hollow_Man You enjoy playing Carrion Fields, I would assume.
[01:37] Challen Yes, I do.
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[01:37] Mark__ heh, this sounds familiar
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[01:37] Hollow_Man It's not even remotely familiar.
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[01:37] Hollow_Man When you play this game
[01:38] Hollow_Man and you're playing character X or Y
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[01:38] Hollow_Man now, obviously you have had problems in the past where you seem to reveal who your own characters are to the world.
[01:38] * Challen nods.
[01:38] Hollow_Man whether that be through vanity, or carelessness, or whatever
[01:39] Hollow_Man but ultimately, how fun is it to have someone say
[01:39] Hollow_Man [BATTLE] You ok, Challen?
[01:39] Challen Heh.
[01:39] Challen Not fun at all, obviously.
[01:39] Hollow_Man So.
[01:39] Hollow_Man You have a little hunch here or there from time to time.
[01:39] Hollow_Man And well, in passing
[01:39] Hollow_Man you decide
[01:39] Hollow_Man hey, I should spread some thoughts of mine
[01:39] Hollow_Man now
[01:40] Hollow_Man if you're the famous Challen, that's one thing
[01:40] Hollow_Man now imagine if you were to hear
[01:40] Hollow_Man [BATTLE] Hey, Scar, when are Conjurers going in?
[01:40] Hollow_Man or
[01:40] Hollow_Man alternately
[01:40] Hollow_Man Challen tells you, "I know who you arrrre. I know who you arrre!"
[01:40] Hollow_Man And imagine just how fun that is, when you're immortal.
[01:41] Hollow_Man And again
[01:41] Challen Not fun at all, obviously.
[01:41] Hollow_Man you can be right, you can be wrong
[01:41] Hollow_Man the problem is, you're the famous Challen, so whatever you say is gospel
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[01:41] Challen Yes, I'm quite aware of the damage rumors and the like can do.
[01:41] Hollow_Man and whoever you assume things about
[01:41] Hollow_Man might as well just quit playing
[01:41] Mark__ Not just to Imms
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[01:41] Challen Now that, I don't follow.
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[01:42] *** Bob-X: you're not channel operator
[01:42] Challen You greatly exaggerate the impact things that I say have. And I fail to see the direct relevance here.
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[01:42] Hollow_Man Do you remember the guy that was spamming the forum board not long ago?
[01:42] Mark__ You mean the one that Challen and I deleted over and over?
[01:43] Challen There are 33 people in here. 6 know what we're talking about, and 4 are immortals.
[01:43] Challen Yes, the genius spammer.
[01:43] Challen Whose work I spent literally hours undoing.
[01:43] * Mark__ nods.
[01:43] Hollow_Man Guess what. When you're an immortal, and someone says, "You're Scarabaeus", it's about the same as it is on the Forum there.
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[01:43] Hollow_Man And guess how fun that is.
[01:44] Mark__ You think it's fun when someone says "Graatch is playing X"?
[01:44] Challen Again, not fun at all.
[01:44] Jullias My goal here is to find the source of an information leak. Something I take very seriously since I've spent 5 years of my life and 10,000 some odd hours coding.
[01:44] Challen There is no information leak in this case.
[01:44] Jullias I've got better things to do than sit here and listen to this.
[01:44] Challen Not to my knowledge, anyway.
[01:44] Jullias I'll be glad to go freakin pull the plug if I need to.
[01:44] Hollow_Man There's an idea.
[01:45] Jullias Maybe it's something everyone should sleep on.
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[01:45] Viscrinth 'Lo
[01:45] Challen I'm sorry about wasting your time.
[01:45] Challen Again, if I'd realized this is what this was all about two hours ago
[01:45] Challen We wouldn't be here now. I was in the dark, listening to talk of player histories and such
[01:46] Hollow_Man We're here for that as well.
[01:46] Hollow_Man But, I can see we have an answer.
[01:46] Jullias If histories are being leaked, or current coding projects are being discovered, I want to know.
[01:46] Jullias We spend more time than most of you imagine creating new things and it reall sucks when you hear about it before it's ready from some random joe.
[01:47] Mark__ And you of all people know that I have not revealed things like that, when I did know them, which was long ago.
[01:47] Challen I can imagine. I don't think that's the case here. I've heard about three projects, "two of them really big," as have many other people. No one has any idea what they are, and we're all curious to see.
[01:49] Jullias I don't care what you people plot about, but I want to know names if there is information that people are receiving and they know they shouldn't be.
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[01:50] Challen Any other questions?
[01:51] Hollow_Man I'd say I've had enough disappointment to last the evening.
[01:52] Jullias This is all quite amusing. When we find the leak we'll let everyone know.
[01:52] Challen Come now, what's disappointing? You came expecting an imm passing out secret information, instead you find it was my relatively lucky guess, which I shared with one person. Let's not blow this out of proportion.
[01:53] Hollow_Man I'm not talking about you, Challen.
[01:53] Challen Fair enough.
[01:54] Challen Anyway, if there are any more questions for me or anyone else, feel free. If not, mind if I unmoderate the channel and let everyone return to our usual banter, and you all return to maintaining the game we all love?
[01:54] * Hollow_Man glances at Jullias.
[01:55] Jullias Enjoy. Have a nice weekend. Get some fresh air.
[01:55] * Hollow_Man grins wickedly.
[01:55] Challen Will do.
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[01:56] [_SnArF_] i just wanted to be the first ot talk after the -m
[01:56] * {Asa} swear profusely for 4 hours
[01:56] Bleiweiss God
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[01:56] {Asa} ......
[01:56] * {Asa} snickers
[01:56] Bleiweiss Could someone please explain in 50 words or less what just happened?
[01:56] Jagaub Big project #1: pwipe!
[01:56] Bleiweiss Did Vince McMahon just buy Carrion Fields?
[01:56] dev- nothing
[01:56] * Byvarn questions what the hell is going on
[01:56] Shezedra dont even say that, Jaq
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[01:57] Jagaub considering nothing was accomplished, I'd agree with dev.
[01:57] Talton Well, I dunno, Jullias.. are you taking the MUD down for the weekend?
[01:57] * Jento is hoping jag is right.
[01:57] SnArF-AFK the imms are wanting to raise a fund for a stripper
[01:57] Byvarn Pwipe would be SWEET
[01:57] Hollow_Man I think it's time for us to leave, gentlemen.
[01:57] `Shady Big Project #2: Jullias is changing his name to ORANGE Jullias
[01:57] Lynxaria woulf get some person a sun tan
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[01:57] Lynxaria right talton:P
[01:57] Ghost_Wolf night HM and J
[01:57] Talton have a good one, Hollow
[01:57] Talton What's the holiday?
[01:57] Bleiweiss I'm confused more so than usual
[01:57] * Byvarn bows before the imms without them his life would be boring and empty.
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[01:57] Talton You mentioned a holiday in your email to me
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