Posted by Proud Blade(VIP) on October 25, 2000 at 10:11:08:
In Reply to: your log proves my point, damn imms don't see it still posted by warrior on October 25, 2000 at 08:40:11:
Conjurers are overpowered that's been proved and shown more than enough
Standard reply: Good. Play one. Whoop all our asses.
Bonus: Count how many conjies there are in Thera at any one time. If they were super-overpowered, wouldn't there be more?
Otherwise:
1) Look at the equipment and realize that level 30 warrior-types with decent damrolls were doing "injures". This conjurer likely had stone skin, aura, barrier, and shield going. That means that he probably knows what he's doing, and he came in very prepped. The anti-paladins have access to this as well, but weren't ready or didn't know how to get them. This is not because conjurers are overpowered.
2) They were lagging a conjurer in a nomagic room. What the hell is lag going to do to him? Delay the "get all corpse" commands? The conjurer was clearly winning the damage race early. They had axes. Did they shieldcleave? No. Did they disarm to mess up his parrying? Nope. They bashed and threw like a bunch of bad Rager applicants. The conjurer got out with 191/458 hp... an early weakening of his defenses could have made him flee, although they still would have probably lost a member.
3) There is a time to run, even if only to flee/return and make the tank switch so all three of you can keep working on the conjie. But if I'm in a group of three, and the attacker comes in and mows down the tank in two rounds, I'm probably running. Especially against a conjie, since they have very few ways to keep me from running.
4) At level 30, I'm scared of thieves (esp. the ones with scrolls), shamans, RBWs, rangers, and necromancers more than conjies. Granted, conjies have a beter shot in this particular situation (fully prepped but outnumbered), but there's no reason to condemn a class because they are only good at certain times in certain situations.
5) I think that group was two APs and an assassin. In a no-magic room, that's not an ideal group for handling a conjie. There are certain one-on-three situations where the advantage goes to the one.
6) Don't quote the entire freakin' log to add two sentences. Be nice to Dio's hard disk.
As to Sladin's point below, the loggers "point" was that one person who knows what they are doing can take down three who do not. Would I have defended perfectly in that situation? Err, probably not. I'm fairly sucky like that. But I would have ran, and I doubt I would have bashed.