Re: Reasons not to be an arbiter and my departure.

Re: Reasons not to be an arbiter and my departure.:
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Posted by Saagkri the Ex-Lord of Arbiter on January 2, 2000 at 18:29:009:

In Reply to: Reasons not to be an arbiter and my departure. posted by Thrakk on January 2, 2000 at 006:31:19:

Yes, Arbiter is micro-managed. Even a Lord can't sneeze without approval from an Immortal. When Saagkri wanted to change a policy because the Warders were utterly destroying Arbiter, he wrote scrolls to ALL the Arbiter Immortals asking if he had the authority to do so. He didn't even get a response. I guess they were too busy laughing at a Lord who actually wanted act like one and stop the slaughter of his men. Well, after days, I took their silence for approval, and posted the below note, within 5 minutes, I was told by an Immortal to remove it and that I basically had no power.

I do know how you feel. I was removed as Lord (and from Arbiter) because I went against the pillar to return some gear to Alfonse. The Imperial war had ended, and Justin had said that "It's up to the Lords to set the terms for a lasting peace..". I soon learned that that was just useless rhetoric. But since Alfonse was a hardened criminal (like every other Imperial back then), so I was going against the pillar and was removed by Astein and Jaldean.

Yes, the pillar is enforced arbitrarily. According to the pillar, if you are invis and flag someone, you should be removed. And yes it is rediculous that there have not been (and are not) any mortal Elders or Lords for so long. I was not suprised when I read the log of that 70 hr old tranny who hadn't even had an interview yet. I would not have his patience. Perhaps if the Lords had any power whatsoever, more people would strive to be one. Look at all they give the Emperor and sect leaders to motivate people to strive for leadership. I am not suggesting special powers, just let him make leadership decisions. Even when Saagkri was on, Astein would handle everything like he was still a mortal Lord. Arbiter might as well let Immortals flag and hunt people, then they wouldn't need any mortals at all.

Anyway, here's the note. And I firmly believe that this moment marked the decline of Arbiter. Yes, the IMperial war saw the destruction of many Arbiters, but we had new ones comming in as well. But having Voss, Rozanov, and a few air majors that could hunt you and that you could NEVER hunt was just too much. Making them at least come to the Hall for the sapling would have given us a small chance to bring them to justice.

note + You have shown not only a disregard for the Laws of Thera, but an outright
note + contempt for them. You have not been satisfied to remove yourself from
note + society but insist on destroying that society. You have left the sanctity
note + of your wilderness to enter the cities and attack Therans, Arbiters, and
note + ultimately order itself. The Lords of Arbiter will not stand idly by while
note + the foundations of civilized society are chipped away by such criminals
note + and therefore submit the following decree:
note + When it aids in the apprehension of a criminal, Arbiters may at their
note + discretion, enter the Sylvan Grove, aid others in entering the Sylvan
note + Grove, acquire the sapling, aid others in acquiring the sapling, give the
note + sapling to the Arbiter Elder, or to any party that will house the sapling
note + in their cabal. As always, Arbiters may use their special guards while
note + performing such Arbiter duties. If our Elder holds the sapling, any Warder
note + can attempt to retrieve it without fear of being flagged, but if any enter
note + our hall for any other reason, you will be marked a criminal.
note + Arbiters will not use their special guards to attack any Warder who is not
note + a criminal.
note + Sylvan Warders may defend the grove without fear of being flagged, but if
note + you attack an Arbiter with his special guards outside of your cabal, you
note + will be marked as a criminal.
note + Arbiter is not at war with the Sylvan Warders. This is a step being taken
note + by the Lords to maintain our ability to hold those who break the law
note + accountable. If you do not want us near your Grove, then do not become a
note + criminal. If you do not want to become a criminal, do not come to our
note + cities and break the law.
note + Saagkri the Hero of Alteration, Arbiter Lord

So, Thrakk, you are right, and while you came after my time, I saw you die several times as the only Arbiter in Thera, fighting eagles you couldn't hunt, and Warders you couldn't hunt, and I was suprised you stuck it out as long as you did.

Saagkri

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Comments:	> Yes, Arbiter is micro-managed. Even a Lord can't sneeze without approval from an Immortal. When Saagkri wanted to change a policy because the Warders were utterly destroying Arbiter, he wrote scrolls to ALL the Arbiter Immortals asking if he had the authority to do so. He didn't even get a response. I guess they were too busy laughing at a Lord who actually wanted act like one and stop the slaughter of his men. Well, after days, I took their silence for approval, and posted the below note, within 5 minutes, I was told by an Immortal to remove it and that I basically had no power. > I do know how you feel. I was removed as Lord (and from Arbiter) because I went against the pillar to return some gear to Alfonse. The Imperial war had ended, and Justin had said that "It's up to the Lords to set the terms for a lasting peace..". I soon learned that that was just useless rhetoric. But since Alfonse was a hardened criminal (like every other Imperial back then), so I was going against the pillar and was removed by Astein and Jaldean. > Yes, the pillar is enforced arbitrarily. According to the pillar, if you are invis and flag someone, you should be removed. And yes it is rediculous that there have not been (and are not) any mortal Elders or Lords for so long. I was not suprised when I read the log of that 70 hr old tranny who hadn't even had an interview yet. I would not have his patience. Perhaps if the Lords had any power whatsoever, more people would strive to be one. Look at all they give the Emperor and sect leaders to motivate people to strive for leadership. I am not suggesting special powers, just let him make leadership decisions. Even when Saagkri was on, Astein would handle everything like he was still a mortal Lord. Arbiter might as well let Immortals flag and hunt people, then they wouldn't need any mortals at all. > Anyway, here's the note. And I firmly believe that this moment marked the decline of Arbiter. Yes, the IMperial war saw the destruction of many Arbiters, but we had new ones comming in as well. But having Voss, Rozanov, and a few air majors that could hunt you and that you could NEVER hunt was just too much. Making them at least come to the Hall for the sapling would have given us a small chance to bring them to justice. > note + You have shown not only a disregard for the Laws of Thera, but an outright > note + contempt for them. You have not been satisfied to remove yourself from > note + society but insist on destroying that society. You have left the sanctity > note + of your wilderness to enter the cities and attack Therans, Arbiters, and > note + ultimately order itself. The Lords of Arbiter will not stand idly by while > note + the foundations of civilized society are chipped away by such criminals > note + and therefore submit the following decree: > note + When it aids in the apprehension of a criminal, Arbiters may at their > note + discretion, enter the Sylvan Grove, aid others in entering the Sylvan > note + Grove, acquire the sapling, aid others in acquiring the sapling, give the > note + sapling to the Arbiter Elder, or to any party that will house the sapling > note + in their cabal. As always, Arbiters may use their special guards while > note + performing such Arbiter duties. If our Elder holds the sapling, any Warder > note + can attempt to retrieve it without fear of being flagged, but if any enter > note + our hall for any other reason, you will be marked a criminal. > note + Arbiters will not use their special guards to attack any Warder who is not > note + a criminal. > note + Sylvan Warders may defend the grove without fear of being flagged, but if > note + you attack an Arbiter with his special guards outside of your cabal, you > note + will be marked as a criminal. > note + Arbiter is not at war with the Sylvan Warders. This is a step being taken > note + by the Lords to maintain our ability to hold those who break the law > note + accountable. If you do not want us near your Grove, then do not become a > note + criminal. If you do not want to become a criminal, do not come to our > note + cities and break the law. > note + Saagkri the Hero of Alteration, Arbiter Lord > > So, Thrakk, you are right, and while you came after my time, I saw you die several times as the only Arbiter in Thera, fighting eagles you couldn't hunt, and Warders you couldn't hunt, and I was suprised you stuck it out as long as you did. > Saagkri

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