Posted by Amergin on January 11, 2000 at 20:48:57:
In Reply to: Not all discussions... posted by Graatch on January 11, 2000 at 10:03:28:
My problem with the "discussions" is the same problem with the Sylvan/Imperial "discussion" below: 1. They always seem to degenerate into flame fests over who is tougher and who killed whom more. Solution to 1: Who gives a shit? Really. Why do you need to bash someone else or defend yourself here? It's unnecessary. It's ugly. I'm really interested in reading this forum, obviously, but do we all need to read Mendeiron, for example, talking about how many times he killed so-and-so and how so-and-so is an easy kill alone when it has *nothing* to do with the subject? And the thing is, it's hard to ignore someone's line of thought in a string and just not read it, but when you read it, it cheapens the whole discussion. So, don't contribute to the ugliness. 2. Nearly every viewpoint seems to reflect a total lack of perspective. Solution to 2: Don't do that :P If you think something is overpowered, *play* it for God's sake and maybe you'll have a *little* more perspective on it. Someone who's played a high level invoker against ragers and played a high level rager against invokers, for example, recently, would really have an interesting point of view on game balance. Almost everyone that seems to post on these threads does not have anything remotely resembling that kind of experience, except perhaps Arcane and Nepenthe and, actually, most of the Imms, and (**this is not coincidental**) these posters generally happen to have the most imformative and insightful opinions. My personal examples to the second: I used to think old-style invokers were insanely powerful after getting my ass kicked by Narcissus and that entropy arial invoker who's name I forgot. Hell, even that stupid entropy dwarf invoker killed me at will. So I rolled up an invoker to see if they really were as tough as they seemed, and started to keep track of my kills. I am not a good pker. In fact, I was a Knight of Thera. And, still, I stopped counting at 80ish (I started feeling stupid and immature keeping a list of kills), and I know I went alot further than that before losing the char to not logging in in a month. My perspective was I thought invokers were overpowered, I played one, and I proved to myself they *were* overpowered. Not coincidentally, invokers were changed in litle under a month after I stopped playing. Anyway, this is pretty long, and I doubt anyone actually read this far into it, but there is my point: Perspective. Keep perspective when you're posting if you want to post something that is constructive. If you think ragers are overpowered, play a modern-style rager. Personally, having fought them, I don't. Actually, the only thing I've fought in recent memory I thought was overpowered was the Liches and Eriwal. Both are pretty balanced by the difficulty of becoming one. And, although Eriwal might as well have been wielding a vorpal blade (heh), you can still catch so-so Lich players, like Golmagus, for example, unaware and pound them. Whatever. I'm dragging on, I made my point. Goodbye. Amergin PS: Challen, you know, even when I think back on Eriwal, now, I *still* don't see what Ihlrath thought you could have done that you didn't do. I couldn't even word you fast enough. Do you know, now?
ie. People are posting about how so-and-so is overpowered without having played a so-and-so in *months* or, worse yet, without **ever** having played a so-and-so.
The same with old-style transmuters, which I thought were overpowered, etc.