You can find an interesting rationalization, however:

You can find an interesting rationalization, however::
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Posted by Jorin on February 4, 2000 at 17:31:13:

In Reply to: Re: Answer from the perspective of a non-Sylvan Warder posted by sparky on February 4, 2000 at 16:19:23:

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> > Conjurers by the very nature of their studies pretty much put their focus on everything but Nature. All of their magic deals with contacting the other planes in order to bargain with foreign (though possibly incomprehensible) intelligences. Given that the Sylvan Warders tend to focus on Nature in the Material Realms (Thera) and would most likely abhor dealing with Demons, Devils, and Nightgaunts, I don't really see then as a good match for Conjurers.

> On the other hand, the beings they may be bargaining with could be "the last of their kind" on a world not unlike Thera...which once was rich with forests and natural..stuff. So they wish to help keep the same from happening to Thera, and they do so by coming when the conjurer beckons.

> Elementals are easy - they are simply awakened chunks of the elements of nature. They were already there, the conjurer merely awakened them to serve to protect their realm.

> I agree with you - demons and devils and nightgaunts may be out of the question, but angels and possibly archons are not that hard to imagine.

First, while you can have an unusual view of what your character does and how, I think it'd be strange to believe only the ones who are "last of their kind" and want to help this world, considering you can conjure things that definetly wouldn't want to help you if you didn't subdue them by force of character/will (such as myself, an evil conjurer, conjuring angels/archons)... so while an interesting view, I don't see it as possible to be true. Your character could believe it, but it'd be a hard sell to the Warders.

Second, elementals are not awakened chunks of nature. Elementals are conjured from the elemental planes of existance, outside Thera (the Prime Material Plane). Thera is not their realm. And if they were parts of Thera, I think a Warder could easily see it as a massive defilement that you make a piece of the world pull itself up out of it's natural place to help you, however good your intentions are. It's a means vs. ends argument.

With some work, this might be a possible role, however I think it'd be incredibly difficult if not impossible to convince the Warders of it.

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Comments:	> > > > > > Conjurers by the very nature of their studies pretty much put their focus on <i>everything but</i> Nature. All of their magic deals with contacting the other planes in order to bargain with foreign (though possibly incomprehensible) intelligences. Given that the Sylvan Warders tend to focus on Nature in the Material Realms (Thera) and would most likely abhor dealing with Demons, Devils, and Nightgaunts, I don't really see then as a good match for Conjurers. > > On the other hand, the beings they may be bargaining with could be "the last of their kind" on a world not unlike Thera...which once was rich with forests and natural..stuff. So they wish to help keep the same from happening to Thera, and they do so by coming when the conjurer beckons. > > Elementals are easy - they are simply awakened chunks of the elements of nature. They were already there, the conjurer merely awakened them to serve to protect their realm. > > I agree with you - demons and devils and nightgaunts may be out of the question, but angels and possibly archons are not that hard to imagine. > First, while you can have an unusual view of what your character does and how, I think it'd be strange to believe only the ones who are "last of their kind" and want to help this world, considering you can conjure things that definetly wouldn't want to help you if you didn't subdue them by force of character/will (such as myself, an evil conjurer, conjuring angels/archons)... so while an interesting view, I don't see it as possible to be true. Your character could believe it, but it'd be a hard sell to the Warders. > Second, elementals are not awakened chunks of nature. Elementals are conjured from the elemental planes of existance, outside Thera (the Prime Material Plane). Thera is not their realm. And if they were parts of Thera, I think a Warder could easily see it as a massive defilement that you make a piece of the world pull itself up out of it's natural place to help you, however good your intentions are. It's a means vs. ends argument. > > With some work, this might be a possible role, however I think it'd be incredibly difficult if not impossible to convince the Warders of it.

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