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Posted by And Old Arbiter on February 11, 2000 at 08:16:55:

In Reply to: Not so fast. posted by Graatch(VIP) on February 10, 2000 at 09:09:50:

> I ignore all your text up to this point as it is all a self-justifying preface and not particulary contraversial. ("Alot of whining and bitching on the forum..." etc.)

> > To address the topics of arbiters, I am not going to go in to all the workings of how imm life is, simply to say those of us who are leaders in the arbiter cabal work long and hard to make it fun for all. That means arbiters as well as the rest of the mud.

> Here is where what you say does not reflect your actions. You may think that is often what you are doing, but in fact you are not.

> As to who or what to blame for the current state of arbiters, it falls on my head, as I am the head arbiter Immortal. However it isn't like one person did one thing. We, the arbiter immortals, had some changes we wanted to make to the cabal and felt that this would be a good time to simply close it for a while.

> Yes, it does fall on your head. And why did Justin leave? And why is it there are heroimms and lower immortals being told how to interact with mortals based on the players of those mortals? And why is it they feel unable to do anything whatsoever without your blessing? While they may be immortals, it *is* your head and your doing.

> > Justin had nothing to do with this, as he had left long before that, we only wanted to bring closure to his life for the mortals, as I don't like imms just dropping off the face of Thera and leaving the mortals in the dark. Not another reason just something we felt we could incorporate this in to the closing.

> I agree. RP wise something should be done whenever an Immortal leaves.

> > As to why I am such a bitch, or what ever insult you currently wish to refer to me as, Bria gets 18+ notes a day bitching about this arbiter who cheated, that arbiter who is corrupt. Most of them are lies, some of them might be true but I have no way to prove it as it is one persons word against the arbiters and a very few are true cases of violations, which I look in too.

> Pardon me, but so what? That's the job of being Arbiter Immortal leader. And since you know that most if not all the notes are bull, you can simply discard them. What's more, you have rather alot of ways of checking these things, all your Imm powers. YOu are 58 and have access to almost everything you need for such things. Additionally you have 53+ who can do some of it, who you can delegate to, etc. But you don't. And, more to the point, even if ALL of the notes were lies or misrepresentations or mistakes of fact or simply gibberish about arbiters, that still does not justify your acting in the manner you do, and treating people as you do. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. You don't like all the notes, all the lies? It is frustrating? Fine. Go vent to your friends. Talk about it on the Imm chat. GO to the gym and punch a bag. Run five miles. Whatever you do to relieve stress. But don't take it out on the people playing the game. Don't act like a bitch to people who don't deserve it, even if you are in a bad mood or have some preconceived bad feeling toward someone. You want respect? Give it.

> > So many people don't like me as I take the side of the arbiter if no clear violation is shown. Arbiters hate me because I enforce the rules on them. I just try to be fair.

> But you fail. Miserably. And that's the problem. You allow your personal feelings to interfere. You force others to believe as you do.

> > To those who think I should be a loving mother, who should care for all the lost idiots who walk past. Not a chance, as hard as it might be for some of you to understand Bria, she is an elite elf, aloof, she is a hard ass enforcer of the laws, and the rules of arbitership. To most arbiters who only deal with her when they have failed and are being punished, she cold and delivers the punishment quickly and with as much mercy as possible. It hurts her to punish them, but it hurts more that they have failed. To her followers, as few as there are, she is more kind, as you would all call it.

> I'm not going to tell you the rp of your character. That's your choice. But it seems to me that the Goddess of Love, mercy and justice would be, well, loving and merciful in a just way. That's rarely your reputation or demeanor.

> > As to me, I am a human being, I know that is a shock to some of you. But the personal insults hurt, I am not perfect and never claim to be.

> You know what? You say that, but it seems you forget that the people you deal with are *also* human beings. When you treat someone horribly in the game, and do so in a manner that makes them wait for months, for something, or ruins a character they have spent months on, etc., it is an ooc offense. You insult them, and it hurts. You ruin their time and effort, and it hurts. You poison others, and it hurts. Heed your own words, and perhaps you might find others treat you better.

> If you think you can do this job so much better then by all means, work your way up to being an immortal and we can talk. I work on this mud for fun, I didn't do it so people who have no idea what my job is like can take potshots at my work and the work of others who do this to make a better game.

> If your criteria were professional, that might be a satisfactory response. Unfortunately, you instead resort to deceit and preconceptions and clique-like gossip-mongering. And few are taking pot shots without any experience. Most, in fact, are people who have been directly affected by your misbehavior. And many have insights and experience with both sides of the game, whether you wish to acknowledge it or not. Just because some are not 58+ as you are, does not mean they have neither the knowledge, nor resources to know more than you think they do.

> > I am not writing this to hear how great I am or how anyone thinks I am doing a great job, I don't do this for a pat on the back or such. I only do this in hopes that those who post such insults might realize they only hurt the forum by driving the immortals away by their frivolous and insulting posts.

> Even after all you have done to me personally, as well as the myriad others I've spoken to or heard of, I still understand and appreciate the time and effort you and the others put in to maintaining the game. That is a constant and recently oft-repeated fact. That does not, however, relieve you of responsibility and accountability for your actions when they are ill-conceived and malignant in outcome. And I have spoken to you of it in the past, privately, and in less public fora. It produced no change. Hence a more public airing, to some extent, of these matters. As for your claim that posts of frivolous insults will drive away immortals from the forum, I am sure that is correct. But who determines what is frivolous? This is not frivolous merely because you wish it were so, or wish to deny your actions of the past. I could not agree more that mere flames and insults are a waste. But the accusations and stories of you are neither mere flames or insults.

> I realize I will get plenty of flack and insults and negative responses from this, and not least from your fellow immortals. I hope I am wrong and I do not, but knowing human nature as I do I doubt it. I know even more that many of the reprisals for this will come in forms I will not even be aware of, that imms will see who I am playing and treat that character differently, worse, because of it, ignoring the whole concept of "roleplaying" and treating each character as that character, not as it's player.
> I hope you and the others rise above that, but I already know you have not in the past, so I hold little hope for the future, in your personal regard.

> Still, all that being true, these things needed to be said. You Have hurt people, Bria, not just their characters, but the people. You have done it maliciously and intentionally. And you refuse to not only acknowledge it, but to apologize.

> > Bria.

> Mark


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