Posted by ExplainerOfSimplicities on March 6, 2000 at 14:11:56:
In Reply to: In response to Graham's and Arcane's pissing match below. posted by Grallon on March 6, 2000 at 13:37:18:
> The reasons it seems (if it isnt actually so) to be balanced towards evil in cf...are manyfold.
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> 1) Look at the name of the Mud CARRION fields.
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> 2) It is more fun to be good, when you have something to hate. This is just plain human Nature
> (read:inquisition/jihad/crusades/holocaust)
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> 3) The two classes that lent themselves to drastic changes the easiest, just happened to be two evil only classes, A-P and Necro.
> These were changed and beefed up ALOT not only because the imms wanted lightwalkers to die and have a disadvantage(if it is this at all) but because they were the two classes that it was easiest to think up neato and cool stuff for.
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> This is not to say I totally agree with cf being weighted towards evil (yes, this is a valid perception Arcane, nomatter what you say, and yes I have had Numerous Heroes...and recently). Here is why.
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> When in history's epics and stories of valor is there examples of an Evil person alone taking out hoards of Good people. I can think of a few:
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> 1) Goliath. But he was taken out by a little boy who combined brains with Holyness.
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> 2) Dragons in eurocentric Knight myths. Again, always taken out by a single champion.
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> 3)Graendel and Mother. Again taken out by a single Champion.
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> 4) Numerous examples from the Bhagavad Ghita, again without fail, all taken out by a single Champion.
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> The thing these have in common is that nomatter how strong/smart/brave/evil an anti-hero is, there is at least a possibility of a single champion prevailing through faith and brains.
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> Now lets look at the other side of the coin.
> How many tales are there in History, both mythic and real, where a Single champion held of hoards almost indefinately before falling to the masses of Evil minions, but not before saving the town/retreat/reserves/legion.
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> 1)Sampson
> 2)Gilgamesh
> 3)David
> 4)3 hundred Knights Templar who bested 14 thousand Shiite Moors as a rear guard for the main retreat.(real)
> 5)a Knight templar who attacked and killed a 120 man retinue of an Assassin peace negotiator single handedly.
> 6) etc
> 7) etc
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> Now before you all go up in arms about CF being a Fantasy world, Fine, how many Works of fantasy have Single Heroes triumphing over an overwhelming foe. How many do you have showing an Evil Monster that is not brought down by a single hero.
> Not very many.
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> What we have in cf, is a situation(noone's fault really) where the Holy good champion is in effect highly improbable (I will not say impossible because look at what Ihlrath did. But that was before A-p's changed, and certainly before Istendil became gross).
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> Now while rare, this is not exactly *wrong* in a fantasy setting. Hell, I have DM'ed roleplaying worlds where it was turned upside down like this (hell look at ravenloft).
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> I do beleive tho, that Carrion fields, as fun and addictive as it is now, would be just amazingly and insanely more so if it was at least possible for a lightwalker to "Stand up to the hoards of the Dark" like 98% of our historical/fantastical Heroes, Like Liches and A-p's can against the Hoards of the light.
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> Just some ramblings.