My take on the whole Lich/Saint/whatever deal...(rambling)

My take on the whole Lich/Saint/whatever deal...(rambling):
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Posted by Drayman on March 27, 2000 at 18:21:41:

Alright, I'll agree with SM that Rome's idea was pretty transformation'ish. But, what I think the goodies need is some way to get a ability which builds on itself. The reason the lich is so damn powerful, is that as it kills, it gets stronger and stronger. The basic bonuses of lichdom (that I know of) aren't in themselves, all that overpowering. Immunity to poison, and some basic physical affects like sleeping, isn't going to tilt the scales. But when a lich gets a bunch of phylacs, that will make them pretty damned scary. Anti-paladins get this in a lesser sense with unholy blessing. The more they kill, the stronger their main weapon becomes. No good class has any sort of ability like this, that grows with each use to that scale. The main problem I see with making a good counterpart to this is on how it would grow. It makes sense that a lich, who's main purpose revolves around death, would get more powerful by making things get dead. A knight of destruction would grow by the same way, hence why unholy blessing makes sense. Now, lets take a paladin (which seems to be the most popular class for the goodie counterpart), it seems to me it would be more difficult to find a clear cut way for it to grow on itself. Paladins are not always about slaying everything evil, some work to protect and heal. It seems it would be a lot harder to implement something that watches over a paladins shoulder and gives him more 'radiance' for varying good deeds, and the idea for an imm to be constantly watching would seem to take a great deal of workload for the imms, considering the amount of goodies out there. I remember awhile back there was a suggestion that a paladin would go on a quest for their god, and get some kinda blessing from their god, gaining one big ability. This doesn't sound too bad, somewhat transform'ish, but it might be kinda tough to work in an ability for every possible paladin god, and have that ability make sense. And again, they would lack the one thing that made lichdom so powerful, that it builds on itself with use.

Well, I rambled a bunch there, and offered no solutions whatsoever, but...just my thoughts on this whole issue.

Dray

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Repost: Paladin revamp. Rome 18:36:55 3/27/2000 (1)
- damn, good ideas in here. nt Grallon 07:30:02 3/28/2000 (0)
Repost: Paladin quest skills. Rome 18:36:09 3/27/2000 (2)
- I thought Paladins had to be accepted by a god to advance above 10th lv Nebie 05:53:07 3/28/2000 (0)
- Thanks, those are what I was thinking of, and I still like the ideas. NT Drayman 18:45:50 3/27/2000 (0)

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Comments:	> Alright, I'll agree with SM that Rome's idea was pretty transformation'ish. But, what I think the goodies need is some way to get a ability which builds on itself. The reason the lich is so damn powerful, is that as it kills, it gets stronger and stronger. The basic bonuses of lichdom (that I know of) aren't in themselves, all that overpowering. Immunity to poison, and some basic physical affects like sleeping, isn't going to tilt the scales. But when a lich gets a bunch of phylacs, that will make them pretty damned scary. Anti-paladins get this in a lesser sense with unholy blessing. The more they kill, the stronger their main weapon becomes. No good class has any sort of ability like this, that grows with each use to that scale. The main problem I see with making a good counterpart to this is on how it would grow. It makes sense that a lich, who's main purpose revolves around death, would get more powerful by making things get dead. A knight of destruction would grow by the same way, hence why unholy blessing makes sense. Now, lets take a paladin (which seems to be the most popular class for the goodie counterpart), it seems to me it would be more difficult to find a clear cut way for it to grow on itself. Paladins are not always about slaying everything evil, some work to protect and heal. It seems it would be a lot harder to implement something that watches over a paladins shoulder and gives him more 'radiance' for varying good deeds, and the idea for an imm to be constantly watching would seem to take a great deal of workload for the imms, considering the amount of goodies out there. I remember awhile back there was a suggestion that a paladin would go on a quest for their god, and get some kinda blessing from their god, gaining one big ability. This doesn't sound too bad, somewhat transform'ish, but it might be kinda tough to work in an ability for every possible paladin god, and have that ability make sense. And again, they would lack the one thing that made lichdom so powerful, that it builds on itself with use. > > Well, I rambled a bunch there, and offered no solutions whatsoever, but...just my thoughts on this whole issue. > > Dray

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