You are totally wrong.:

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Posted by Maniakes on March 29, 2000 at 07:54:04:

In Reply to: Re: Kansetsuwaza posted by H;la; on March 28, 2000 at 16:30:45:

It *always* reduces str and dex. It just does *more* reduction when it crunches.
Also, even with it perfected, you miss alot. Completely. And even when you do get it off, it still doesn't crunch all the time.

This goes for both kotegaeshi as well as kansetsuwaza.

> From my understanding unless you see the crunching in their arms they don't lose any strength or dexterity. Perfect it and Im sure it will happen all the time and then it will always give -str


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