Posted by Saerin on April 5, 2000 at 09:15:29:
In Reply to: a reply to Shokai's post on the second page, putting it here so there is a small chance of getting an informed response... posted by Maubuisson on April 5, 2000 at 04:53:46:
> I was an elf paladin Knight, rank 47 when Knights were disbanded...tattooed by Nepenthe...reading you say that all of the knights were newbies kindof hurts...sure there were a few, but there were some that actually rp'ed.
The problem was (sorry Christina) that Christina had a rather open induction policy.
Hence, there were quite a few people who were inducted who could have used a bit more
experience in terms of understanding how to play a Knight. It was never an easy role
to play.
> I do not think I died all that much...but I refused to be bloodthirsty as well, so I didn't kill all that much.
This has nothing to do with why the Knights collapsed.
> I had been under the impression that I was actually doing a good job rping the role of the Honorable Paladin...and having had a few heroes prior, did not think of myself as such a newbie.
I can understand why you might take offense at what he
said, but he was speaking in generalities. For the most
part, the cabal was plagued by the fact that people had
a hard time playing an honorable character as defined by
the cabal.
> But, of course, this could just be me going "that wasn't me, I was the exception" when infact I was the rule...I really do not know.
Well, I know how I played my character at that time. It wasn't
terribly easy playing an invoker Knight with no protective spells.
In a sense, I felt a bit guilty, but it was more about timing than
about being able to play an honorable character.
> What I would like is an honest impression of my char, from Nepenthe or any other imm/"elite" char who had interaction with Maubuisson...was I a newbie? how could I have acted different? what did I do wrong?
I imagine that if Nepenthe watched you, and saw you being rather
un-knight like, you would have heard from him.
> That being said...I am not sure I got Shokai's point exactly correct in his post.
>
> What I got out of it was this.
>
> "The elites of the day were to powerfull against the newbies of the day, to much carnage, so this was one of the main reasons they were disbanded"
No, he's saying the elite players on CF were flocking to other characters,
other cabals, and not playing Knights. The survival of the cabal was left
to people who didn't have a lot of experience. It's not a combo for success.
> Um...is not this kind of thing just a temporary thing? the whole pendulum thing that everyone touts as being all powerfull and important? Would the imms actually destroy a cabal based on the swings of this pendulum?
>
> That is what I got out of Shokai's post...so I am not sure I read it correctly. Some clarification would be helpfull.
There were a couple of problems that plagued the cabal in it's last days besides
what Shokai mentioned...
1. Defining the cabal. Was the cabal about Honor? Or promoting the Light? Originally
it was set up to do the former, and as the mud evolved it took on the latter with the
former in mind ( a cabal that promoted both the light and honor). The imms watching the
cabal took slightly different stances. So, what exactly were they about?
2. Implementation of Empire. The Knight cabal really needed to be defined. With a large
gangbanging cabal, how would the Knights continue? How would the Knights now deal with
the large numbers they faced. Christina attempted to match numbers with numbers, and was
unsuccessful. If you have a few well trained Knights, this largely cuts off the cabal to
most of the mud, and basically requires that the more experienced players play Knights.
Of course a cabal with Challens, Gareths, Zharradams would be formidable, you have very
small numbers, and have relative difficulty in dealing with Empire.
At least, this is how I see it. This was the first cabal I was ever inducted into, and one
I had a tendency to play. I miss it.