Ah you're right, I forgot about chill touch. I'm sure there's more that we're both forgetting. But, you see my point (n/t):

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Posted by Assassin on July 25, 2000 at 10:11:09:

In Reply to: Re: (like it) posted by Ash on July 25, 2000 at 09:45:30:

> > Comprehensive post, thank you... Never have, probably never will, play a Paladin. *spits on Goodie characters* But in all honesty, nice post here.

> > As an assassin... the effects on kicks/kotegaeshi/kansetsuwaza don't always kick in. For example, if you kotegaeshi someone, you'll hit for an EVISCERATES lets say, but unless you 'twist the wrist violently' it does nothing. I sort of like that effect.. Assassins are similar in that respect, and only that respect.

> > I think people that played mages would physically IMPLODE if what you said was true about their spell affects. *rofl*

> Actually, and I'm rather certain there are others, but this is the one that comes to mind at the moment, there IS A mage spell that has this sort of sporadic effect. Chill touch. It either misses, does damage, or does damage combined with a strength loss. And from my experience with mages, you get the strength loss one HELL of a lot less than 80 percent of the time.

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> Ash


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