Posted by an ordinary player on August 17, 2000 at 13:38:18:
In Reply to: I find it hard to believe... posted by Cathoir on August 17, 2000 at 11:59:32:
> *chuckle* When an imm cheats it's mostly just bringing knowledge to char that they received by being an imm, or getting privy to rp opportunities (such as a tattoo or so on). I find it hard to believe that your mind works in a way such that this would bother you immensely. Especially since we've both been playing for 4+ years and have constantly been surrounded Smuggers and Neosofters who do the EXACT SAME THING. They have more chars than imms, use gratuitous ooc knowledge... and prolly advise each other how to make the rp opportunities happen (ie. I had so and so's tattoo before, here's how you go about getting it). I find it more likely that you're leaving for some personal pride issue that relates to your little tiffs with the imms or something not enclosed in your message. I hear a lot of the stuff about imms bending the rules as well but I look at it as hey, they're the ones coding their asses off and pouring time into a mud mostly populated by ingrates (myself included)... if they want to use a little ooc knowledge now and then, go for it. On a side note, I find your condemnation of the imm cheaters and what seemed to be a friendly involvement with the worst one rather strange. My only problem with the isssue are the imms who work very hard at something and then have it ruined by their leak... but shit happens. > > > > Much of the imm staff is either cheating, or aware of others breaking the rules and by not doing anything tacitly approving. The game is no longer fun when you are aware of these things. > > I have no doubts that some imm, likely mr. smith, will come here and in his sarcastic manner ask "who is cheating? how?" and simply scoff because I do not offer everything he wants to hear. He, and others there, live in fantasyland where things are so simple and he very much likes to play with words. > > Of course, he being one of the cheaters doesn't help any, but that's something else entirely. > > There are also some imms who are not cheaters and rule breakers and blatant abusers of ooc knowledge in their work, and I applaud them. I fear they are in the minority, in the high ranks at least. > > I detest cyradia as a person, but I have no reason to believe she breaks the rules, for example. The same goes for Astein -- though I like him. I am simply saying I don't know of any improprieties associated with him. I also know that Shokai does not actively cheat, but unfortunately I believe he is aware of things that go on and for lack of sufficient power he either cannot or will not change them, or call out those doing it. By that I mean that he knows that there are 58, 59 and imps doing it and he cannot change them. I think he is in a rock and a hard place because if you cannot change them then integrity requires one to resign, and nobody wants that, especially after so many hours of game play and game work. Still, it goes on and he knows it. > > In any event, I am no longer playing mortals. I leave playing knowing I was elite in roleplaying, and not elite in pk'ing. Not every char was great, some being made for different reasons. But each had good roleplay at least, and those that were important to me were very good. Say what you want, but the proof is in the pudding. Every char but two (out of over 30) that I wanted a tattoo for, received it. Two heroimms (imm'd for roleplaying) and two leaders and various sub-leaders all show that the same imms who don't like me personally have already proven they know my roleplaying ability. > > I do not plan on returning to #cf on irc. If one of you wants to reclaim it, I am sure it will become available in a week or two as I have not been there in a week already. > > I still enjoy reading about the mud though, and so I will still be here and keep up to date. It is quite a good way to take a break during the day at work. > > Lastly, when scarabaeus et al. came to irc back in march or april and accused me of having imm information and a leak, because I knew who guerric was playing at the time, I had no imm source. I had not had one since Andaren right after he was booted out, and Jullias and Twist while I was Scaurus and shortly afterwards. > > However, after scarabaeus' disgusting showing on irc that night, not one but two imms started telling me things, and how my chars were being screwed, just as scarabaeus said he would. Both are 56 or under, and I will not reveal their names because it seems they are only two of a small minority who feel just as ashamed and repulsed by what scara and others are doing as I do. But they seem to be growing, and that is my ray of hope. One day perhaps cf will live up to the ideals to which the cheaters claim they aspire. > > Maybe then I'll return. I'm sure you are all breathless with anticipation for that day. > > Go ahead and flame, I'll read them, but likely wont respond. Especially not to simple mindless insults, which chances are wont survive long anyhow. > > -Graatch
> -Cathoir
> > I no longer play cf. But like Macheath, I'll be on the forum anyway.
> > I have no knowledge of Galadriel or Boltthrower abusing their power, and the few times I spoke with either leads me to believe they are either unaware of what goes on, or not around often enough to do anything about it. Still, it is troublesome.