DIKU had a case like this

DIKU had a case like this:
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Posted by Rune(VIP) on August 26, 2000 at 23:46:19:

In Reply to: Re: One Question posted by Bria(IMM) on August 26, 2000 at 22:06:26:

Cannes was playing a gnome invoker Arbiter. I believe it was his first char, and he even heroed him (I can't remember the name). He was shit scared of the shadows of that time, among them Nastavnic and Malagant.
Joshu and I were playing Laurentz and Aphrodite respectively, and we really went out of our way to get Nastavnic flagged, so we could kill him with manacles, for instance, Laurentz would follow goodies around in duo for a long time, just to see if Nastavnic would attack them in town. We knew for certain, that he did it, if he thought he could get away with it. And surely, he fell for the trap, and we started hunting him without any luck. The next day the flag was gone, and we knew he hadn't killed himself... That was just not his style. And suddenly all the wanted shadows were no longer wanted. So we started wondering, and this guy Cannes was sitting right next to us at his terminal slightly flushed in the face, so we started suspecting him. Funny thing is, that what revealed him was that he was logging his conversations, so we could see that he had talked to Nastavnic and removed his flag in exchange for friendship and equipment.
Anyway... He ended up being turned evil and losing his spells and being titled The Servant of Darkness.
I am pretty sure it was an immortal who did it, because we didn't tell anyone about it, since it was kind of OOC to read his logged tells. After this event, Arbiters were forced to send a note to Bria to explain every time a flag was removed. I don't know if this is the policy anymore though.
On a side note, this was before there was a role command.

> > > >I don't think I ever got a solid answer for the policy on removing flags.

> > > Not sure what you want as an answer for this, if you mean can you unwant the whole mud and get away with it, no. Is it possible to unwant someone for money or stuff, as part of your role, yes but you have to do it right.

> >
> > Well, it's been a while so I may not remember it correctly, but I heard of people getting nailed who said it wouldn't of been possible for any evidence to have been built up against them, but were tossed because of snooping anyways.

> Actually, alot of the time the person they unwanted rats on them. I find it rather amusing and most of the time after a few of these, depends on the source, we will either watch them or just bust them. Again role and other factors play in to this, but it isn't just one case. If it is the Immortals steping in, how ever, there is nothing saying the mortal leaders have to give them any room and they can kick them out for blinking wrong so if they think or hear that an arbiter is corrupt, they can just kick them out.

>
> >I just always wondered how the system of mortal suspician would be judged.

> Well if the whole cabal knows you are taking gold to make people unwanted, then you are busted. If they just think it is you, no real proof we try to give you some room and time to rp your way out or mess up even more.

> >Personally, if I was a lord and flags started getting removed i'd immediately narrow it down to the well dressed neutrals and evils. In a cabal with not a lot of people this would of lead to a lot of speculation, even if the particular evil or neutral is perfectly playing their role of deception. A lot of deception in that role would be based on being annonymous, which isn't possible most of the time with Arbiters usual limited cabal membership. Just always seemed to grey of an area for me to brave.

> You have to make sure the other arbiters are looking the other way. No, I don't mean they too are on the take, but maybe they are busy doing other things, or you lie.

> This isn't an easy role to play, being an arbiter isn't easy. It is a very fine line to walk. The imms try to give you as much room as possible. But the limited numbers of arbiter does hurt, the fact that arbiters aren't liked hurts you again. Being evil helps, but you really have to think everything out and have a plan, and learn to lie and cover your tracks.

> I guess what I am saying is if you really wanted to do this, be ready to be kicked out, 80% fail and you should be ready and willing to face this, if that ruins the game for you, then don't try this. But for some that challenge is the fun of it.

> I am sure this will come to haunt me, and my pile of complains will grow, having feed this conversation.

> But perhaps it will be helpful in other ways.

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Comments:	> Cannes was playing a gnome invoker Arbiter. I believe it was his first char, and he even heroed him (I can't remember the name). He was shit scared of the shadows of that time, among them Nastavnic and Malagant. > Joshu and I were playing Laurentz and Aphrodite respectively, and we really went out of our way to get Nastavnic flagged, so we could kill him with manacles, for instance, Laurentz would follow goodies around in duo for a long time, just to see if Nastavnic would attack them in town. We knew for certain, that he did it, if he thought he could get away with it. And surely, he fell for the trap, and we started hunting him without any luck. The next day the flag was gone, and we knew he hadn't killed himself... That was just not his style. And suddenly all the wanted shadows were no longer wanted. So we started wondering, and this guy Cannes was sitting right next to us at his terminal slightly flushed in the face, so we started suspecting him. Funny thing is, that what revealed him was that he was logging his conversations, so we could see that he had talked to Nastavnic and removed his flag in exchange for friendship and equipment. > Anyway... He ended up being turned evil and losing his spells and being titled The Servant of Darkness. > I am pretty sure it was an immortal who did it, because we didn't tell anyone about it, since it was kind of OOC to read his logged tells. After this event, Arbiters were forced to send a note to Bria to explain every time a flag was removed. I don't know if this is the policy anymore though. > On a side note, this was before there was a role command. > > > > >I don't think I ever got a solid answer for the policy on removing flags. > > > > Not sure what you want as an answer for this, if you mean can you unwant the whole mud and get away with it, no. Is it possible to unwant someone for money or stuff, as part of your role, yes but you have to do it right. > > > > > > Well, it's been a while so I may not remember it correctly, but I heard of people getting nailed who said it wouldn't of been possible for any evidence to have been built up against them, but were tossed because of snooping anyways. > > Actually, alot of the time the person they unwanted rats on them. I find it rather amusing and most of the time after a few of these, depends on the source, we will either watch them or just bust them. Again role and other factors play in to this, but it isn't just one case. If it is the Immortals steping in, how ever, there is nothing saying the mortal leaders have to give them any room and they can kick them out for blinking wrong so if they think or hear that an arbiter is corrupt, they can just kick them out. > > > > >I just always wondered how the system of mortal suspician would be judged. > > Well if the whole cabal knows you are taking gold to make people unwanted, then you are busted. If they just think it is you, no real proof we try to give you some room and time to rp your way out or mess up even more. > > >Personally, if I was a lord and flags started getting removed i'd immediately narrow it down to the well dressed neutrals and evils. In a cabal with not a lot of people this would of lead to a lot of speculation, even if the particular evil or neutral is perfectly playing their role of deception. A lot of deception in that role would be based on being annonymous, which isn't possible most of the time with Arbiters usual limited cabal membership. Just always seemed to grey of an area for me to brave. > > You have to make sure the other arbiters are looking the other way. No, I don't mean they too are on the take, but maybe they are busy doing other things, or you lie. > > This isn't an easy role to play, being an arbiter isn't easy. It is a very fine line to walk. The imms try to give you as much room as possible. But the limited numbers of arbiter does hurt, the fact that arbiters aren't liked hurts you again. Being evil helps, but you really have to think everything out and have a plan, and learn to lie and cover your tracks. > > I guess what I am saying is if you really wanted to do this, be ready to be kicked out, 80% fail and you should be ready and willing to face this, if that ruins the game for you, then don't try this. But for some that challenge is the fun of it. > > I am sure this will come to haunt me, and my pile of complains will grow, having feed this conversation. > > But perhaps it will be helpful in other ways.

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