But you can group with someone who does. Ragers can never do that. nt:

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Posted by Guy on August 28, 2000 at 10:26:04:

In Reply to: Umm 90% of those spells you listed you wouldn't have acess to as a warrior anyway...n/t posted by Guy who hates people who compare apples and oranges. on August 28, 2000 at 09:26:10:

> > > What spells would you want that being a berserker doesn't give you ?

> > Dispel Magic, Halt Person, Invoker Shields, Slow (for rest times), teleport, word of recall, giant strength, soften, haste (for my groupmates), summon, sleep, weakness, poison, crimson scourge...I could go on, but this list is getting silly. There are a lot of magical spells that ragers give up that are incredibly worthwhile and have absolutely no "ragerly substitute" for. Imagine if you will, if ragers only had deathblow, nothing else, but could use magic. Ick.

> > > You have not bad spell immunity

> > Rather have invoker shields, or lichdom would be even better.

> > > You have Haste and Resist

> > Rather have real haste and invoker shields.

> > > You have detect invis

> > Rather have real detect invis and be able to use any healer to heal my blindness.

> > > To me that is all you need ....

> > It obviously is all they need, but Trent's point was that ragers give up a lot of advantages to get the powers they do get, and no other cabal gives up any such thing. If Masters were disallowed any gear that didn't aid to their int, for instance, then yeah, maybe they should get tesseract and demon summon back? No, scratch that, even with that restriction, Masters with tess and demon summon were insane. But I guess I made some semblance of a point. Maybe.

> > > Disarm protection and + Str Dex gear will save your ass

> > Other than noremove/nodisarm weaponry, could you explain this strange "disarm protection" you speak of?

> > > Maybe some dragon/troll/jakal if you have a vuln

> > Heh. Sure. And all you mages should just stop bitching and use barrier wands. They are so easy to get.

> > > Its seriously not a problem the major disadvantages are mobs being summoned into you.. A lack of mana to keep your shit up and well being ganged. The trick is to get a hold of the heah then wax as many ragers as you can when you have it.

> > Yep, that last sentence of yours really emphasizes Trent's point.


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