Posted by Shokai(IMM) on August 29, 2000 at 02:15:40:
In Reply to: Kinda whine. posted by Swist on August 28, 2000 at 18:01:10:
> Mostly this is in responce to Korun thread. > I used to be only one most of the time. > Places like Galadon, Eastern road, dwarven forest or hideout is sure way to die again. You're dealing with it better than a lot of people who just say 'to hell with it' and delete. Trust me, if you keep playing, what you're going through right now will be looked back on as a trial by fire period for you...you've learned to valueable skills. 1) RUN! 2) Don't be where your enemies are looking for you. > What annoyes me a lot what such offensive power as deathblow comes for free. There are some bigger drawbacks, part of the problem with fighting ragers is, once again, the fickleness of players. Best way to break Battle, have people start rolling up opposition to them....once battle loses it's 'core players' due to age/con-deaths (true cores rarely delete without odd circumstances)...Battle will come to a trickle, and we'll see an upswing in another cabal. (again, forum search on the word overpowered....it's a bit like tracing fossil records using core samples, since you'll see layers of Empire is overpowered, then Battle is overpowered, and a very narrow line of Dawn is overpowered...which proves crack use was at an all time high during that period...but I digress). > resistance/true sight - basically replacement for magic. You use your powers, I use potions. *nod* I agree, but once again...Battle's main power right now is sheer numbers. It'd be similiar to a hoarde of peasants being able to take down an army of knights...if you have enough people, your enemies are ground chuck waiting to grill. > And on 'one vs one' terms disblow is kidna tough. interesting ideas. > Sylvan. there are more around than you think, they're just hard to see. > Anyway. > Masters/Dawn/Arbiters > Marans Okay...let's talk for a moment about what the Maran's are, quite simply they are the marked followers of Shokai. Yes, the tattoo is nasty, it hurts, and it sucks to get hit with...I had one roll over my last evil like I was a coke can on the train tracks. However to get the tattoo in the first place, you have to show me you can wipe the floor with evils without it. For most Maran the tattoo is just a time saving device...trust me, they would've killed you anyway. ie: Khiravn, Balrahd, Virdanyoln, etc...if you fought them as most evils, you know what I'm talking about. Both exist, and both do what they are there to do. > "You grab the ankles
> Empire:
> My pk range is usually like : 2 elven conjurers, 3-4 storm paladin heroes, dwarven healer, 1-2 elven invokers + 2-5 hero ragers.
> No single evil besides me. In 15 mins after I loged in I get 3-4 people go attack vanquisher/omegus independatly do we have codex or not.
The lovely thing about Thera, is the fickleness of the players and the constant pendelum swinging of who is in power, what cabal is powerful, yada yada yada. Right now there are a lot of paladins and goods, why? Welllll...not too long ago there was this little revamp of paladins. History shows that after a few groundbreakers have paved the way...there's a crop of heros and hanger-ons trying to repeat what they saw some other guy do. I refer you to countless arial sword specs after Ihlrath, dwarven clerics (back in the day) after Narsche, evil bardlings after Amberlea, etc etc etc. People see a class played with power behind it...so they swing to that class. Normally it's not a class that is alignment specific (though I do remember countless necros showing up quite some time ago...). Also a while back when all these goods were rolling, there was a (still is) elven leader of the village....more reason not to be evil. So yes, good is on the upswing...will it last? No, no it won't...relax, it's a challenge, but this to will pass. (don't believe me, do a forum search on the word 'overpowered')
> Even though I avoid these as hell I had to teleport out couple times an hour to escape.
> To fill my time I usually go explore some unknown places. Still I get watched all the time.
> Sometimes it is fun sometimes it is not.
> But now RL cuts my spare time so I can't play as much.
These two skills will save your ass a lot more than you'd think.
> About Battleragers.
> I have killed them alone about the same as they killed me.
> Surely unparried disblow can end up the fight. Or flurry with 8 attacks.
> Still you can kill clearly superior opponent if you are smart. Or at least beat him up so he flees.
> With no drawbacks besides beeing in village.
> I know it is huge drawback but Empire has about the same as well.
As to the drawbacks of Battle, en masse...they aren't that easy to see...when there are just 5 or so ragers, they become far more apparant (I mean 5 total, not just 5 in Thera).
> I can pretty much counter bloodthirst by choosing place.
> And I do not care about spellbane though I still wonder why battles get free attacks after succesful spellbane.
> Poncho - Oki doke. You won you got the prize.
> Deathblow ? I know Battles supposed to fight alone and I can ganbang.
> But look closely : Raid/reraid does not count. If I have mob of 20th rank that means there are 2 of us and they can jump me up whole group.
> Even if they do not assist they heal or pick your weapons after disarm or take turns. One flees it is time for another to step in.
> Come on guys. If it is 'group vs group' it is almost always means berserks rush in thrusting and so it is roughtly one by one fight.
> // I know it should not be like that but so far it is common practice.
> I am sure you saw plenty of logs : berserker - resi,bloodthirst and bash bash bash. Disblow does the rest.
> My proposal : make it so each succesful disblow would strain beserker with affect simular to flurry (-your_level*10 moves or something).
> And you once you do not have enough stamina (moves) you would not be able to create such powerful blows. Also make it so actual damage is random from 2X to (Yourlevel/10)X
> And give berserker the choise to turn off blow if he does not want to (Deathblow on/off).
> They are pretty much non-existant right now. Save for Flontinot.
> They have good powers but big drawbacks.
> Just make so it would be impossible to summon somebody into wall of thorns (like centurions now).
> And also make so you would be able to scan-see wall of thorns from the distance (like plant growth).
> Relatevaly a lot of people but not much infuence.
> //I think Iracundur is way to bloodthirsy to be Apostle. Just personal oppinion.
An odd grouping, I see why...and agree with you, the 3 cabals have either 1) power, 2) beef with ragers, or 3) a lot of numbers...or 4) some combo of the other 3. As for Iracundur *shrug* I'm not a Dawnie imm, but if you really have a beef with it...might want to mention in to Selric, Raisa, Eryndorial, etc.
> Shokai : Make them into cabal and give them item.
> Your tattoo powers are way overhead agaist evils.
> Make them cabal powers so they can be stripped by raiding.
> //I think it will actually diminish Maran's strength but bring you more people.
As for making Maran a cabal, with item, powers, etc etc...*shrug* I kick the idea around, but if I do, trust me...there won't be too many more Maran's around, and if anything...they'll still be just as deadly. Best piece of advice for you, figure out who the marked followers of Shokai are (a lot of times they have titles that tend to help) and if you're evil...don't be where they can find you. OR have some allies and go hunt them.
> Scarab/Troupe
> Where ?
> I guess I am done. Any comments and/or flames are welcome.
> P.S. Sorry for spelling.
and I'll grab the wrists...
it comes down to this.."
- Soul Coughing