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Posted by Drinks with Evil. on October 19, 2000 at 11:59:07:

In Reply to: Why are there no skilled players left? (elitist rant) posted by The Arcane(VIP) on October 19, 2000 at 03:53:34:

Thanks for sharing a glimpse of the prize.

> I've still been trying to figure out why the game doesn't appeal to me as it used to, and a huge part of it is the lack of goals or standards against which to measure myself. Sure, there's one or two out there still, but it's nothing like what it used to be. When I played Challen, or even a year later when I had Athrakagar, there were more truly skilled and dangerous players than I could count on my hands. I died more often... I had to flee more often... there were people whom I was really scared of fighting, and so on. In the absence of that, the combat/PKing aspect of the game boils down to tedium.
> That's not the case anymore. Not even close to the case. Immortals complain that people have all these conspiracy theories and such, moreso now than they used to... the reason why? If there's a standout player nowadays, it's an 80+% bet that it's one of four or five imms that I could name. That ratio, combined with the huge and growing gap in player skill, contributes to that sort of distrust.
> You could argue that overall roleplay has improved, and that's true, though it's not a massive quantum leap (as was the case from say... early 1997 to early 1999). But this is a far cry from a pure-RP mud, unless that's what the imms want to make it into. CF has great areas, deep and reasonably original classes, and so forth. But the best thing in my eyes was always the players and the competition and interaction they afforded, and the best of them have long since left.
> That's the simple reality of things, and it's to the detriment of the game. So, where have all the elitists gone, and why have they left (and why aren't new people filling their shoes)? That's something I have to ponder some more, because I don't have an answer. Any thoughts?

I feel for you, and I hope I'm bad enough at this game that I will never have to wrestle with this type of question myself.
Actually, I know I'm bad enough. I have that on good authority. It's my saving grace, and why I'll never tire of the game.
I can't imagine anything worse than being an elite mortal player. I also hope you don't find the answer to your questions,
because I certainly enjoy the majority of your insights.

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Comments:	> Thanks for sharing a glimpse of the prize. > > I've still been trying to figure out why the game doesn't appeal to me as it used to, and a huge part of it is the lack of goals or standards against which to measure myself. Sure, there's one or two out there still, but it's nothing like what it used to be. When I played Challen, or even a year later when I had Athrakagar, there were more truly skilled and dangerous players than I could count on my hands. I died more often... I had to flee more often... there were people whom I was really scared of fighting, and so on. In the absence of that, the combat/PKing aspect of the game boils down to tedium. > > That's not the case anymore. Not even close to the case. Immortals complain that people have all these conspiracy theories and such, moreso now than they used to... the reason why? If there's a standout player nowadays, it's an 80+% bet that it's one of four or five imms that I could name. That ratio, combined with the huge and growing gap in player skill, contributes to that sort of distrust. > > You could argue that overall roleplay has improved, and that's true, though it's not a massive quantum leap (as was the case from say... early 1997 to early 1999). But this is a far cry from a pure-RP mud, unless that's what the imms want to make it into. CF has great areas, deep and reasonably original classes, and so forth. But the best thing in my eyes was always the players and the competition and interaction they afforded, and the best of them have long since left. > > That's the simple reality of things, and it's to the detriment of the game. So, where have all the elitists gone, and why have they left (and why aren't new people filling their shoes)? That's something I have to ponder some more, because I don't have an answer. Any thoughts? > I feel for you, and I hope I'm bad enough at this game that I will never have to wrestle with this type of question myself. > Actually, I know I'm bad enough. I have that on good authority. It's my saving grace, and why I'll never tire of the game. > I can't imagine anything worse than being an elite mortal player. I also hope you don't find the answer to your questions, > because I certainly enjoy the majority of your insights.

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