Hey Bud, You keep insisting that people should give up min/max and enjoy the game in the way you enjoy the game. Except CF is different things to different people, as a numbers guy I absolutely love min/max incremental improvements make or break my experience. I don't want to play CF if the expectation is that my characters are there to entertain the staff and any character that is not entertaining the staff isnt value added. I get that as RP heavy players are the ones immorting, but isnt immorting and getting a glimpse into the mechanics enough of a reward? Why insist that players entertain you to be valueable to the game? Best Regards, Old tooth http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120056#msg-1120056 Mon, 13 Apr 2026 20:40:39 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120115#msg-1120115 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120115#msg-1120115 KoeKhaos Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 23:01:21 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120114#msg-1120114 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120114#msg-1120114 KoeKhaos Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:54:08 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120113#msg-1120113 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120113#msg-1120113 KoeKhaos Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:47:53 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120112#msg-1120112 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120112#msg-1120112 Plenty of veterans (and immortals) being still mediocre at it.]]> Murphy Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:54:23 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120111#msg-1120111 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120111#msg-1120111 Beront... nuff said.]]> Murphy Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:47:22 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120110#msg-1120110 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120110#msg-1120110
But very few people use an optimum strategy at low level because it completely ditches everything that is important at mid and high levels.]]> daurwyn Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:02:14 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120108#msg-1120108 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120108#msg-1120108 MiyagiYojimbo Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:06:25 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120106#msg-1120106 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120106#msg-1120106 allysia created dec 2010. 208-18

If anyone wanted to actually try and focus on PK, they could do it in far less time.

Of course, you asked the wrong question.
The better question is how many hours of gameplay does it take?
To get proficient with one build, one class, it's not all that much. I would say maybe two hundred hours, a good part of which would be learning where to find gear/preps suitable to the build, how to navigate Thera in general, and then working on mechanics and figuring out good vs bad matchups. Of course, most people try to just have fun when they play, not focus on mastering the PVP game every minute, so it probably takes longer.]]> zannon Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:57:54 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120105#msg-1120105 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120105#msg-1120105 semi_newbie Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:59:47 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120104#msg-1120104 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120104#msg-1120104
I have never been on discord or any other information service, so I assure you that the assumptions you make are false.

I have played Aoirse, Varnon, Gilut, Sivane, Polmier, and many many others. I have had tattoos, leaders, and other "perks" through hard work and roleplay.

I have never won a rolecontest because my writting sucks.

I most play loner characters. I have to work to interactive with others.]]> loknim Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 13:15:20 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120103#msg-1120103 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120103#msg-1120103 The sword predated the char, and he had no way to be certain he would get it.]]> zannon Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 10:50:10 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120102#msg-1120102 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120102#msg-1120102
The full story is this:
Night A, like midnight EST: Light is in full tilt, no evils on to get back items. Fort is going for Tiamat, I and a few other Nexus people join them. I volunteered Nexus to go because my belief was the three Nexus could do nothing to the horde of fort people online, so we needed to encourage them to die somehow. I believed it would be a suicide mission as Tiamat had never been killed. I think there are like ten of us in total. All of us died. There are reasons this was a good plan from my end and a bad one from theirs.

Night B: A week or two later. Light in full sway. Fort is going for Tiamat again, in a smaller group. I forbid the other Nexus people from joining this time, but I go with them as I think I offered to join and I did not want them not to make the attempt. However, turns out they are going to the Blue lair first, then to Tiamat, so I go to the Blue Lair with them. Twist speaks to me on CB, I essentially tell him my plan was to ensure we all die fighting Tiamat. Twist watches as we kill the ancient Blue, and he comes vis in the lair, uninducts me on the spot, and rightfully so.

You know what happened then? We went and killed Tiamat, and Twist rewarded all involved with Imm XP, the dragonslayer edge and a title, including Allysia.
So yeah, Twist did nothing to block the attempt. What he did was punish a Nexus leader for aiding the light when light was in full tilt. RP dictated he boot me since Twist was a NEXUS IMM. I admitted my plan failed and accepted the punishment. Name one thing Twist did wrong in any of this. If we all had died, we would have probably applauded me. It was a gamble, and I lost.

Did I break RP in making the attempt? Not at all, Allysia was all about finding any available means to the end. I knew well what the consequences would be for my actions if the fort people lived. I could have nofollowed and fiended right after the Blue, but Allysia would never betray people, so she bore the brunt for the failure. After Tiamat I probably could have done the same thing even as an outcast, but really at that point Allysia was outside of Nexus and not bound to it anymore. So if the plan If Twist did not boot me, everyone would have bitched at him for not booting me.

Rayihn allows me to rejoin later on.
End of story.]]> zannon Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:12:46 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120101#msg-1120101 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120101#msg-1120101 physics Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:59:29 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120100#msg-1120100 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120100#msg-1120100 Kstatida Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:19:02 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120099#msg-1120099 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120099#msg-1120099
Open Source CF.]]> physics Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 08:05:44 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120098#msg-1120098 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120098#msg-1120098
Regards,
Your Captain Obvious.]]> scr Main Board Tue, 16 Oct 2018 01:57:21 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120097#msg-1120097 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120097#msg-1120097 On the other hand, if I was an imm I'd be like "shit this playerbase is full of morons why do I even bother kthnxbai". Doesn't help us get a conversation going about CF's problems.]]> Murphy Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:07:49 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120096#msg-1120096 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120096#msg-1120096
There's a single poisoner prep ingredient hidden inside of the Twilight Mansion which makes poisons operate +2500000 levels higher
than your character level. Lets think about the chances of anyone stumbling on a well-hidden item in the 10000s of rooms of CF
which the entire poisoner class depends upon. So instead of attempting to save against a level 51 inhaled knockout poison,
people are instead trying to save against a level 2500066 inhaled knockout poison, or a level 2500066 neurological poison, or a level
2500066 mind control poison.

So which bucket can we put you in immortal or immortal friend? :)]]> Jarmel Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:47:18 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120095#msg-1120095 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120095#msg-1120095 Frosty Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:43:10 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120094#msg-1120094 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120094#msg-1120094 TJHuron Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:03:34 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120093#msg-1120093 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120093#msg-1120093 TJHuron Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:53:56 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120092#msg-1120092 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120092#msg-1120092 mcbeth Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:38:09 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120091#msg-1120091 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120091#msg-1120091
Answer: Years and years and years and years.]]> physics Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:30:13 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120090#msg-1120090 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120090#msg-1120090

Very over-rewarded character. Daevryn and wife loved Starbright. Starbright part of the inner circle? Starbright an Imm? Probably.]]> physics Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:28:55 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120089#msg-1120089 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120089#msg-1120089 physics Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:24:28 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120087#msg-1120087 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120087#msg-1120087
Sounds reasonable to me and if the nexan had been an imm who wasn't stopped you'd be whining about how they should have stopped him.]]> daurwyn Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:12:17 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120086#msg-1120086 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120086#msg-1120086 daurwyn Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:09:44 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120085#msg-1120085 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120085#msg-1120085 daurwyn Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:08:04 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120084#msg-1120084 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120084#msg-1120084
It was a good feeling when I beat her, and frankly dying to her wasn't a particularly bad feeling either, because she was cool in victory.

I think I got 16 charges for killing her.

The beauty of it was using a sword with an attack type of cleave to make it slightly less obvious that I was trying to cleave her in half as she chased me everywhere. And in not using the weapon that had all my charges in since I couldn't beat her in a million years with that weapon despite those charges.]]> daurwyn Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:05:26 -0400 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120083#msg-1120083 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?2,1120056,1120083#msg-1120083 MiyagiYojimbo Main Board Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:23:55 -0400