Editing of posts by VIPs. While I don't mind that VIPs can and often do delete posts can we set up a rule to not allow editing of posts other than your own? Either delete the post or leave it be, I don't think its right to be able to selectively pluck out or alter tid bits at will. Could just be me but I think if you're going to ruin the context of a statement you may as well delete the whole post rather than effectively changing the meaning behind what the person said. It worries me to think I can write something only to have someone else edit it in such a way that might, in effect, alter what I'm saying. Just my 2 cents. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2704#msg-2704 Sat, 17 Oct 2026 20:58:12 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,3335#msg-3335 Hmm, you aren't thinking of my editing are you? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,3335#msg-3335 daurwyn Feedback Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:53:41 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,3076#msg-3076 Yeah, I agree with Dexiekins. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,3076#msg-3076 vladamir Feedback Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:59:55 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,3036#msg-3036 Misinfo. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,3036#msg-3036 Yhorian Feedback Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:27:06 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2962#msg-2962 Cosign. NT http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2962#msg-2962 Batman Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:06:12 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2932#msg-2932 Re: It's not a necessity, but it's a damn handy tool. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2932#msg-2932 adam_gay Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:50:46 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2918#msg-2918 Re: How about you wait until we do edit someones ideas/views/experiences, then protest? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2918#msg-2918
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yhorian
Because I'll tell you now, that it is highly unlikely that is what we'll edit. And doing so might well be considered an abuse of trust by Dio and Gabe. Something all VIPs take seriously mate.

People are allowed to re-edit their own posts if they want to. And I'd encourage it in many cases, especially those where you feel you have to post 3 replies to in a single instance instead of one. God forbid, if we can't encourage fore-thought lets at least encourage after-thought :P

You've editted my ideas, views and experiences on the wiki. I've protested. Your response was that I wasn't important, and to stfu.]]> infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:14:33 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2887#msg-2887 It's not a necessity, but it's a damn handy tool. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2887#msg-2887
There have also been times when we've looked at a post and thought, 'you know what, it's totally passable except for that one mention of a characters name' and have been forced to delete it over one word that could be removed without damaging the post.

As moderators, we see plenty of this. It's not in our nature to want to simply nuke everyones voice - we like chatter. It's a forum. And this editting stands as a tool for more polite, subtle and less head-achey (omg, forum nazi!!) moderating.

All of these posts seem to assume it would be applied liberally, bordering abuse. I'd like to think you're all trying desperately not to break the rules anyway and don't have a lot of reason to have the dreaded edit (or dredit as it might be known to cooler people) used on you. Rest assured, if you truly feel we do mangle a post you can always petition us to remove it entirely instead.]]> Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:06:15 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2883#msg-2883 Re: I think it natural no one -wants- to be censored. But the silent majority understand its necessity. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2883#msg-2883
As for the silent majority, I just assumed their posts where being deleted so as to look like it was only a small minority of "nut jobs" that disliked this idea. :p

That said silence is not a sign of acceptance for one opinion over another.]]> adam_gay Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:59:00 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2882#msg-2882 Re: Way to oversimplify http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2882#msg-2882
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If someone makes one mistake and lets something slip through in a log, it is much easier (and more helpful) to remove the one thing that slipped through and leave the rest.

While there is arguably a benefit to the community in this instance, it does not change the fact that deleting of the post with an explanation allows the same thing to occur. It just puts the onus back on the original poster for re-editing but it allows ownership of what they posted to be theirs alone.]]> adam_gay Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:54:28 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2881#msg-2881 I think it natural no one -wants- to be censored. But the silent majority understand its necessity. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2881#msg-2881 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:51:08 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2880#msg-2880 Re: How about you wait until we do edit someones ideas/views/experiences, then protest? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2880#msg-2880
As an aside, I find it important to note that the only people who have posted in support of VIP editing are VIP's themselves while a half dozen non-VIPS have already stated they would not like to have such censorship.]]> adam_gay Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:47:08 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2875#msg-2875 Fine but don't say I didn't warn you or complain about it later on when your good intentions backfire. n/t http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2875#msg-2875 Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:23:33 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2873#msg-2873 And as soon as we mangle anyone's context, that'd be a very viable complaint. But we don't intend to. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2873#msg-2873 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:20:50 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2863#msg-2863 There's no need to get defensive. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2863#msg-2863
I'm not personally slamming what you did in Pro's thread but I'm suggesting its a better idea to just delete the post or leave it alone, both ethically and practically speaking.]]> Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:43:27 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2861#msg-2861 I noticed it on Pro's thread below. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2861#msg-2861 Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:39:02 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2826#msg-2826 How about you wait until we do edit someones ideas/views/experiences, then protest? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2826#msg-2826
People are allowed to re-edit their own posts if they want to. And I'd encourage it in many cases, especially those where you feel you have to post 3 replies to in a single instance instead of one. God forbid, if we can't encourage fore-thought lets at least encourage after-thought :P]]> Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:46:10 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2822#msg-2822 Way to oversimplify http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2822#msg-2822 daurwyn Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:39:18 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2821#msg-2821 As far as I'm aware, no one has ever claimed it has happened http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2821#msg-2821 daurwyn Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:37:27 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2815#msg-2815 Re: What about logs as an alternative example? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2815#msg-2815 adam_gay Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:10:35 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2795#msg-2795 What about logs as an alternative example? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2795#msg-2795
When the new log board comes in, VIP's can go back into the log and edit those out. Preserving an entertaining post - but removing the violation that would prevent the rest of the community viewing it.

This is essentially how we'd use editing on the mainboard. The main mode of moderation is still deletion - I've made all of one edit on someone elses post, to remove a personal attack on a character that was 'slipped in' in some brackets - but some of the time we VIP's don't actually want to delete a post. For us, there is something in the post that we feel would be productive. This is a chance for us to preserve that, and avoid 'forum nazi accusations' where we blitz entire threads because of one tiny mention that rule-breaks.

And as the prime suspect in all forum nazi cases, I'd enjoy a little credit toward better moderation to balance the poo people throw the other way.]]> Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:30:48 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2792#msg-2792 Re: Let's say that there's a big discussion following started by the thread. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2792#msg-2792
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But however, there is a minor rule break that can be easily edited out. If the conversation is particularly fruitful, it'd make better sense to edit the post for censorship. When a post is edited, it will be edited in a way that does not take things out of context. If that is not possible, the post will be deleted. VIPs will not be putting words into people's mouths.

I understand that would be your intention, and the intetion of such a policy, that does not mean that is how it will be used in practice by everyone at all times. Personally, I do not want my forum handle attached to posts that are editted by someone else no matter what the intention.]]> adam_gay Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:05:43 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2789#msg-2789 Let's say that there's a big discussion following started by the thread. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2789#msg-2789 DurNominator Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:00:34 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2753#msg-2753 Seconded and fwiw http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2753#msg-2753
Too many events have occured, and peopled died, over the type of censorship that is becoming here. Right, wrong, indifferent, do not alter my words, and have it stamped with my name, because you feel the need to shave it.

The written language is an art, a science, and an ultimate expression, if you're going to alter it, you need to simply remove the post. I don't see a middle ground on this aspect, and the poster can simply repost within appropriate context should he/she have broken a rule.

FWIW, if my posts start getting edited and then reposted with my handle stamp, I am going to stop using this website. I also would encourage everyone else to do so as well. At least on the officials it's go, or no go. They don't tamper with posts in that aspect, unless it's an entire post snip, and simply the Imm in question posting what/why they snipped the entire post.]]> Rogue Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:32:10 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2749#msg-2749 I agree with Death_Claw http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2749#msg-2749 adam_gay Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:00:44 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2744#msg-2744 If I had deleted the entire post, you'd all just throw a hissy fit on over-censoring. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2744#msg-2744
Except when it's hilarious. :)]]> Yhorian Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:32:32 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2735#msg-2735 I'd far prefer editing out the bad stuff from good posts. Ie, quest info from a pretty good rant on quests. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2735#msg-2735 Yhorian Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:03:29 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2726#msg-2726 Personally I am in favor for nuking the post. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2726#msg-2726 part of it, delete it.]]> Derexal Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:28:10 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2725#msg-2725 My censored version on what it read before http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2725#msg-2725
Changed By: Pro
Change Date: January 02, 2008 12:02AM

I know, and I wish

Most of you would found your own mud and not pollute this one. Nothing personal, but if you don't understand the English language well enough (a character's name *cough*) you shouldn't play a game that is completely built around it. Sometimes it's incredible how piss poor interactions are with some ESL players.

I give you as an example those two clouds that got tree smashed, not only was their Engrish shitty, their actions were. I would offer that mostly because they only knew enough to knowthe word DEAD! means they did something cool.

Changed By: yhorian
Change Date: January 02, 2008 12:35AM

I know, and I wish

Most of you would found your own mud and not pollute this one. Nothing personal, but if you don't understand the English language well enough (*snip*) you shouldn't play a game that is completely built around it. Sometimes it's incredible how piss poor interactions are with some ESL players.

I give you as an example those two clouds that got tree smashed, not only was their Engrish shitty, their actions were. I would offer that mostly because they only knew enough to knowthe word DEAD! means they did something cool.

Edit: edited out the spelling errors Pro removed in his revision.]]> DurNominator Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:25:26 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2723#msg-2723 On the pro post below "I know and I wish" http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2723#msg-2723
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/01/2008 12:35PM by yhorian.

So you will know who edits your posts, but deathclaw is right
that a VIP editing somebody elses posts is just the right thing to
do and I agree with it fully. I love cats.]]> Derexal Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:09:32 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2718#msg-2718 Are you sure it doesn't say that it was edited by someone? nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2704,2718#msg-2718 The Forsaken Feedback Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:06:10 -0500