Wiki Content I think the biggest purpose of the wiki is to increase the learning curve of new players, so that they can become a productive part of the game faster. I don't think learning the ins and outs of OOC mechanics should be considered gameplay. I'm all for letting others know how the game works. I am not in favor, of posting spoilers. I think the distinction is very clear. If I walk into a deathtrap which is described in the previous room's description, that's part of the gameplay. If I write about it on the wiki, that's a spoiler. No one benefits if I warn others on the wiki, because the immortals are going to move the deathtrap and everyone is going to have to experience the new deathtrap all over again. If I make an observation on how a skill works, I think that's public domain. For example, I know how to get the familiar I want to get. It's a simple OOC manipulation, which has been liberally discussed on Dio's. Using this information, I can customize my conjurer's familiar. If I use this information quietly then I have a distinct advantage (that I don't need) over a newbie. How did I come across this knowledge? Just being around, reading dios and searching logs. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2756#msg-2756 Mon, 11 May 2026 08:16:06 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3143#msg-3143 Verification. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3143#msg-3143 infi Feedback Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:31:54 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3062#msg-3062 Re: Hi, I'm DC. And I like to be melodramatic. Name one other thing I censored on the Wiki. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3062#msg-3062
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Assume that 'how to predict your familiar in what is intended as a random system' is questy info.

That's you trolling, along with "Moderators aren't supposed to do that?"

Don't say shit you don't mean. If you meant to say this was a special circumstance then you should've just said that and we wouldn't be having this discussion.]]> Death_Claw Feedback Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:12:35 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3050#msg-3050 Re: When did I not do that exactly? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3050#msg-3050 Death_Claw Feedback Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:46:15 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3046#msg-3046 Re: Is it REALLY, verifiably based on a character's name? Can someone explain how that method possibly makes sense? n/t http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3046#msg-3046 Death_Claw Feedback Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:34:14 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3032#msg-3032 Is it REALLY, verifiably based on a character's name? Can someone explain how that method possibly makes sense? n/t http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,3032#msg-3032 Balrahd Feedback Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:25:21 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2978#msg-2978 In fact, looking at the revisions, you only wrote all the Challegha tactics. The others were Torak and I. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2978#msg-2978 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:42:10 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2977#msg-2977 Give one good reason why the Wiki should be an undirected ground for rants and misinformation. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2977#msg-2977 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:34:01 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2976#msg-2976 When did I not do that exactly? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2976#msg-2976
He continued to repost misinformation. So I took all the 'opinionable' information and placed it into a FAQ that he was free to link and edit. I then placed a mandate on the conjurer section that he was to try and leave out highly questionable tips, and leave them for his own article.

I took all of it, put it into a FAQ (an article over which I have little or no control) and left him to edit it to his hearts content.

I'm stating here and now - the Conjurer page, like many other pages, is not Infi's personal shitting ground. He is welcome to develop it as an aid for conjuring by posting all the information he wants on Archons, Angels, Demons, etc. I even set up the formatting and pages so that he could. But what he then did was front-page a FAQ containing largely questionable tips, and out-right misinformation.

Go ahead and read his FAQ. See if you believe that should be our front-page for conjurers.

At which point do you truly believe I was either being unfair, actually CENSORING (deleting information that is not a rule abuse) or overstepping my bounds in directing the wiki?

I'd also like to ask what exactly you've contributed, because you seem to have become an authority on what happens on the Wiki. Let's hear your credentials, no bullshit please.]]> Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:31:40 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2975#msg-2975 You seem to be speaking like I 'consistantly' censor pages. I censored Infi, DC. That's it. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2975#msg-2975 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:25:18 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2973#msg-2973 I actually wrote the latter part of that description. So who am I censoring exactly? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2973#msg-2973
I have nothing against a demon page, but you decided you were an authority on conjurers and insisted on posting things that weren't just possibly wrong - but entirely wrong.

When I removed them, you hastily reposted them. So I took all the opinion-based musings, placed them into a conjurer FAQ and left the pages for more fact-based information.

What is your problem exactly? That you didn't get your own way, spreading misinformation like following familiars? Or that I didn't just ban you earlier for abusing the wiki as a forum?]]> Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:23:37 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2971#msg-2971 Hi, I'm DC. And I like to be melodramatic. Name one other thing I censored on the Wiki. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2971#msg-2971
You're pretty much trolling.]]> Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:16:21 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2959#msg-2959 Re: It's a Wiki, so other people can re-arrange it. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2959#msg-2959
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Maybe Yhorian could tell us what his vision for the page is if he feels that specifics on what demons do don't belong on demons page?

This is exactly the type of shit that shouldn't happen.]]> Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:27:27 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2957#msg-2957 That's why its a Wiki. So just edit it. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2957#msg-2957 Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:24:54 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2956#msg-2956 It's a Wiki, so other people can re-arrange it. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2956#msg-2956
That's my two cents.]]> DurNominator Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:24:16 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2951#msg-2951 How about let the author decide where it goes? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2951#msg-2951 infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:17:48 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2949#msg-2949 I would put that kind of descriptions to demons page since we have those. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2949#msg-2949 DurNominator Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:04:47 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2945#msg-2945 My 2 cents (not that anyone asked or cares) and some explanation. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2945#msg-2945
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No, we're not going to let you post whatever you want on the wiki.

I think you're making a mistake by taking the role of attempting to moderate the accuracy of what gets put into the Wiki. As a moderator you should be removing flagrant rules violations (like quest postings) and arbitrating Wiki disputes. However, you should let the accuracy business be disputed amongst the users and only arbitrate as necessary.

Here's my reasoning:

1) There's a bit of a conflict of interest when a large contributor as well as moderator of the Wiki also is deciding what's accurate and what isn't. I don't think that requires much more explanation and while I'm not accusing you of anything, you can see why that might hurt the usage of the Wiki.

2) It will hurt the Wiki if people perceive that the role of keeping it accurate and updated falls on the moderators. Likewise, it will merely impose more of a burden on yourselves.

3) The Wiki is meant to belong to the community, not to Yhorian. Gabe was gracious enough to host it after Xanthrailles lost interest but do try to remember its intention is to be a scratch pad for the community, not Yhorian's personal CF FAQ. Don't assume ownership of something you don't own.

And frankly, its just a Wiki. Its meant to be a fluid evolving exchange of ideas that belongs to the community. That's the point of the Wiki. I don't know why everything you're involved with you need to immediately assume a role of ownership. You remind me of Valgina.]]> Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:40:32 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2943#msg-2943 That's a good question. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2943#msg-2943
I don't have a problem with that either and in terms of the Wiki, I think Yhorian shouldn't be nitpicking every page that gets added to it. Its a Wiki, not his personal CF FAQ. Diku made it specifically to belong to *all CF'ers*, not be under the domain on one anal retentive "moderator".]]> Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:29:45 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2928#msg-2928 I've questioned this as well, and I think it should very likely be changed. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2928#msg-2928 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:37:42 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2925#msg-2925 Death_Claw -nt- http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2925#msg-2925 infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:28:43 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2924#msg-2924 Read this. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2924#msg-2924 This is a good lagging demon, especially on small-sized foes as gore goes off often and can 'toss' them to one side like a minotaur for lag. It is also easy to please and fast moving. The disadvantages it has is a lower damage output that some demons and it enjoys damaging itself heavily with chain lightning! This isn't so bad at hero, but the ability is too severe on the demons health at lower levels and sometimes means it kills/gets killed before it's done fighting an opponent it's trying to lag.

He ripped information like this out of the [[DEMONS]] page that I compiled, slapped it into a page called [[infisconjifaq]] and told me to stop spreading misinfo and to keep opinions + tactics out of non faq-pages.

WTF?]]> infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:27:46 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2922#msg-2922 . http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2922#msg-2922 infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:21:25 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2921#msg-2921 Why have it some weird hash function based on char's name as opposed to simply making it random? nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2921#msg-2921 infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:21:25 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2916#msg-2916 Why are you such a control freak? http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2916#msg-2916
I know at any given moment you're itching to delete or censor something or another but calm down.]]> Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:13:27 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2915#msg-2915 No. n/t http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2915#msg-2915 Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:09:58 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2904#msg-2904 Find someone who supports your hairbrained argument. Then call it misinfo. Not the other way around. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2904#msg-2904 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:47:27 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2898#msg-2898 Misinfo. http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2898#msg-2898
I'm looking to debate the points with you, because I think you're reasonable.]]> infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:28:30 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2897#msg-2897 Isn't there? -nt- http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2897#msg-2897 infi Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:26:37 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2874#msg-2874 I often wonder if its deterministic nature isn't meant to be exploitable... http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2874#msg-2874
I know that sounds cynical as hell but honestly why have it some weird hash function based on char's name as opposed to simply making it random? Someone being too lazy to save it to the pfile/database only explains so much...]]> Death_Claw Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:21:53 -0500 http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2871#msg-2871 And in disagreeing with the moderator, you've failed to persuade anyone else you're right. nt http://www.qhcf.net/phorum/read.php?9,2756,2871#msg-2871 Yhorian Feedback Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:19:07 -0500