Re: Its not even that.

October 25, 2007 07:03PM
> > Its the point that : <br>> > <br>> > 1) Smoking isn't against the law. <br>> <br>> But littering is. Do you every throw your butts out the car window, on the street, etc? <br> <br>Littering is already a crime. So is playing music loudly at night. Should we pay for this with an extra tax on music records? <br> <br>> > 2) We theoretically live in a free society. <br>> <br>> Nah. <br>> <br>> > 3) Smoking has nothing to do with uninsured kids. <br>> <br>> Is a funding nexus necessary for legislation? <br> <br>Taxing the minority to benefit the majority. In other words, tax the people who can afford it least to pay for the people who can afford it most. The "bottom" for places in NJ & NY is 70k & 80k respectively. In other places its a family income of 62k. In short, its middle class welfare. These are not poor people the way we think of poor people. These are poor people meaning, people who make more than the median income in this country. <br> <br>> > 4) It hurts the poorest people the most. <br>> <br>> Yeah but you don't care about poor people. <br> <br>I would think the Democrats would try to have some sort of internal consistency when they claim they want to help the poor then levy taxes targeted at them. <br> <br>> > 5) Chances are this program is going to blow donkey balls anyway. (See my rants on medicare). <br>> <br>> Actually independent of federal legislators, NJ Gov. Corzine, ex-chair of Goldman-Sachs, thinks its one of the best programs out there right now as far as cost/benefit goes. <br> <br>It gives them medicaid coverage. As such, it has all the problems medicaid has. <br> <br>> (yeah i'm baiting you but it's funny when you get on these rants) <br> <br>I know you are but this is important and I honestly believe that. We take this stuff on the chin way too often.
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More evils from the Democrats.

Death_Claw 854 October 25, 2007 02:21PM

I'm starting to question if Smoking reduces life expectancy.

Pro 499 October 25, 2007 03:34PM

Smoking may not reduce life expectancy directly..

Istirith 501 October 25, 2007 03:51PM

Maybe we should all agree that cigarettes are a choice.

Death_Claw 478 October 25, 2007 05:16PM

Bear in mind here's one of the supporters of this bill.

Death_Claw 534 October 25, 2007 05:45PM

I agree with you on the principles..

Istirith 438 October 25, 2007 06:25PM

Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

Death_Claw 463 October 25, 2007 07:08PM

Enviroment without cigarette smoke should also be a choise.

DurNominator 454 October 25, 2007 09:11PM

What does that have to do with what I'm saying?

Death_Claw 483 October 26, 2007 04:07AM

Did you know that....

AA 522 October 26, 2007 05:24AM

Smoking is already prohibited in public indoor facilities here.

DurNominator 472 October 26, 2007 08:45AM

Its not even that.

Death_Claw 462 October 25, 2007 05:13PM

I'm with you. I was just saying. Sorry to stray. n/t

Pro 521 October 25, 2007 06:09PM

Re: Its not even that.

Enbuergo 503 October 25, 2007 06:49PM

Re: Its not even that.

Death_Claw 486 October 25, 2007 07:03PM

Uhm, what?(nt)

Cenatar 484 October 25, 2007 09:33PM

Why are you laying cigarette taxes at the feet of the Democrats?

Balrahd 476 October 25, 2007 10:05PM

Real ones don't.

Death_Claw 466 October 26, 2007 04:02AM

My point is, this isn't the only &quot;selective&quot; cigarette tax out there.

Balrahd 501 October 26, 2007 07:25AM

That's fine.

Death_Claw 500 October 26, 2007 07:32AM

Because what you implied is not restricted to this one bill.

Balrahd 538 October 26, 2007 12:18PM

You interpret an implication based on your heuristic disposition.

Death_Claw 557 October 26, 2007 12:25PM

God, fox news.. do you at least acknowledge that they lie, pretty often? ~

Chalupah 552 October 26, 2007 05:32AM

Fine. Choose any other news source you want.

Death_Claw 471 October 26, 2007 06:38AM



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