Well, here's where our beliefs differ.

October 27, 2007 05:42AM
> You're not completely wrong, but, you're suggesting an unconstitutional system to deal with education. <br>> <br>> Let me throw at you a few problems: <br>> <br>> Problem with your plan: People can't feed their kids, or people can't feed their kids right. If you do away with school lunch hundreds of thousands of kids either go hungry or are given a soda for lunch. You underestimate how pathetic americans are at basic functions. <br> <br>I don't view a school's function as that of trying to raise a child. I view its function as that of trying to *educate* a child. I think people rely on schools to do too much more than that and that's probably why they fail at the education part of the equation. <br> <br>> Result of your plan: Millions of malnourished, obese and sick kids. <br>> <br>> Your plan: expulsion used regularily <br>> <br>> Result of your plan: Millions of kids getting expelled, leading to a large population of uneducated violant kids who grow up to be violant criminals. <br> <br>Zero tolerance and related types of plans haven't reduced problems but exacerbated them. By allowing violent kids to inhabit schools they merely serve to ruin education for people who actually want to be there. <br> <br>> Your plan: Do away with gym equipment. <br>> <br>> Result of your plan: Unhealthy and obese population which will drain our health care system. <br> <br>Our people are already obese. This is a moot point. See above about where the school shouldn't be trying to instill values in children. It should just be trying to educate them. <br> <br>> Your plan: Do away with books and use computers <br>> <br>> Result of your plan: You need a computer for every child. This makes sense economically, and I fully support it. However, the problem is that you need the computers to last. They won't. Maintenance, repair and replacement costs will "kill" this initiative. At my school the computers are so bad that it takes 20 minutes for my colleagues computer to boot up, and open an internet explorer window. We DO NOT have an adequately trained IT guy. There is a severe shortage of trained professionals in our school systems. To be honest, you get what you pay for. <br> <br>There are plenty of competent personnel if you look in the right places. Look at airports as an example of relatively intelligent maintenance techniques and service level agreements that are equitable to both parties. <br> <br>Basically what I'm saying is that the schools should focus on the task at hand. I'd be more than in favor of separate, distinct groups whose intentions were to handle the other issues. Maybe home tutoring for expelled kids or who sponsored leagues for sports outside of the schools, or who focused on helping promote nutrition. Charities either private or state sponsored even (if its done at the *local* level, not federal) whose tasks are clearly definined and whose objectives are understood. <br> <br>The majority of this nation is not riddled with incredibly poor people who can't feed and clothe their kids. There's no reason to run *every school* like that. It'd make more sense to address the issue where it was an actual issue, and cater the solution to the problem you're trying to fix.
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Home schooled children score higher on national exams. ?

infi 1672 October 26, 2007 10:07AM

I don't doubt that it's true.

Lokain 510 October 26, 2007 10:34AM

That's not true either.

Death_Claw 612 October 26, 2007 10:37AM

I always wondered why...

Scrimbul 495 October 26, 2007 11:42AM

The irony for me...

Death_Claw 535 October 26, 2007 11:53AM

a minor point

Nivek 525 October 26, 2007 12:10PM

Thanks for the clarification. n/t

Death_Claw 549 October 26, 2007 12:16PM

All of my evidence is purely anecdotal

Lokain 582 October 26, 2007 12:16PM

Well, from what you're telling me, that's to be expected.

Scrimbul 481 October 26, 2007 12:44PM

In all actuality...

Scrimbul 548 October 26, 2007 11:37AM

Re: I don't doubt that it's true.

Isildur 541 October 26, 2007 12:16PM

Tim Tebow is the man. I love him. Seriously. And I hate Florida. nt

The Forsaken 543 October 26, 2007 03:46PM

Home schooled kid was at the dance tonight -nt

infi 554 October 26, 2007 06:24PM

Re: Home schooled children score higher on national exams. ?

Death_Claw 694 October 26, 2007 10:36AM

Re: Home schooled children score higher on national exams. ?

Isildur 593 October 26, 2007 12:10PM

Good points, especially inre to parent involvement.

Balrahd 497 October 26, 2007 12:14PM

Sorry, n/t in the above n/t.

Balrahd 468 October 26, 2007 12:18PM

I don't think that's so much the issue.

Death_Claw 1298 October 26, 2007 12:19PM

This report hand picks its data.

infi 553 October 26, 2007 12:22PM

The one I responded to you with was the Wall Street Journal.

Death_Claw 609 October 26, 2007 12:34PM

I'm only going to point out a glaring contradiction

infi 520 October 26, 2007 06:17PM

PS: 6am til 11:00pm day for me

infi 539 October 26, 2007 06:23PM

Nobody cares for your self-pity, dude.

Scrimbul 569 October 27, 2007 07:45AM

You totally spoke with 5 fingers to his face n/t

Lokain 546 October 27, 2007 07:54AM

I worked computer repair in a retail environment.

Scrimbul 541 October 27, 2007 07:59AM

I had nothing against your previous post

Lokain 516 October 27, 2007 08:45AM

Oh it was nothing against you.

Scrimbul 499 October 27, 2007 10:32AM

No, he's lobbying for a raise. :P nt

DurNominator 576 October 27, 2007 09:03AM

Summers, Winter Break and Spring Break off suck too, eh? nt

Lokain 477 October 27, 2007 05:47PM

Re: I'm only going to point out a glaring contradiction

Death_Claw 499 October 26, 2007 07:32PM

I'm going to keep going, just because I can talk about this for hours.

Death_Claw 500 October 26, 2007 07:58PM

Just (a few) problems with your model

infi 545 October 27, 2007 04:48AM

Well, here's where our beliefs differ.

Death_Claw 481 October 27, 2007 05:42AM

More explanation about the text book thing, from prior experience.

Death_Claw 513 October 27, 2007 06:52AM

Arr. I replied to the wrong thread below.

Balrahd 515 October 27, 2007 08:03AM

Could you link your other post? I'd be interested in your reasoning. n/t

Death_Claw 500 October 27, 2007 08:07AM

Basically...

Death_Claw 478 October 27, 2007 08:43AM

FWIW I agree completely n/t

Lokain 522 October 27, 2007 07:21AM

Thanks. I think a lot of people do, just the squeaky wheel gets the oil. n/t

Death_Claw 510 October 27, 2007 07:24AM

Re: Well, here's where our beliefs differ.

Chalupah 543 October 27, 2007 08:45PM

Some questions.

Paul Ott 570 October 27, 2007 07:31AM

I didn't even think like that and I agree with answering those questions. nt

Scrimbul 554 October 27, 2007 07:39AM

Re: Just (a few) problems with your model

Isildur 508 October 27, 2007 09:26AM

Re: Computers

Death_Claw 525 October 27, 2007 09:33AM

Books can be used again, though.

DurNominator 561 October 27, 2007 10:31AM

Whereas computers explode the moment you're done with them. n/t

Death_Claw 628 October 28, 2007 02:54PM

I'm still waiting to hear how homework is done in your system.

DurNominator 554 October 29, 2007 12:08AM

I do not study well with pc n/t

Graham 550 October 30, 2007 01:57PM

A slightly different perspective -

Chalupah 532 October 27, 2007 08:35PM

Oh man, I need some drugs for this post.

Chalupah 558 October 27, 2007 08:24PM

Here's our disconnect.

Death_Claw 528 October 28, 2007 03:08PM

You don't have kids, do you?

Chalupah 533 October 27, 2007 07:59PM

Regarding &quot;brain drain&quot;

Death_Claw 566 October 28, 2007 03:22PM

You're both saying some true things. txt

Isildur 546 October 27, 2007 09:14AM

I agree but I'd like to emphasize one issue.

Death_Claw 576 October 27, 2007 09:20AM

This is a good place to point out our difference:

Chalupah 531 October 27, 2007 08:51PM

Yes, I do say lets aim lower.

Death_Claw 505 October 28, 2007 03:00PM

And furthermore a difference between you and I.

Death_Claw 492 October 28, 2007 03:27PM



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