Mystery is attractive.

May 19, 2014 05:28AM
We see the word a lot in the game - Experience. For everyone familiar with classic RPG mechanics, it's a measure by which you can put a number on a person and say 'That's how much they've experienced! 1000 points of Dragon Fighting, combined with 500 points of Discovering dark cave corners. That puts him at lvl 45 now.'

I think people have forgotten the meaning of the word. To have an experience is to be part of an event that leaves an impression on you. It has to CHANGE you. Throw out the point system in your head and think on the Experiences that Carrionfields offers.

The imms aren't offering Chess. It is not a level playing field. Classes and Races have glaring weaknesses. If those weaknesses aren't enough - You can add more! You have to be smart, motivated, inquisitive and masochistic. That is how you compete and you can do it better with an OG conjurer than you can with a kill-all duergar anti paladin. Those that are only in this to get 'one up' on everyone else - to become adored for their ability to remove HP points - are missing how people like myself became repeat Cabal leaders with their name Inscribed on a Monument. I'm not even particularly PK competent - yet I sit high on the Leaderboard in a few categories. How? I was smart. I was curious. I spent time figuring things out for myself. Vast amounts of Time and Patience.

There is a vocal group that are simply incapable of doing this. For some, like yourself, it is the noble time constraint. You have neither the time nor the inclination to sit there figuring out why the Violet Woods stone door won't open. You can tug on it, but it won't open. It taunts you with an area full of buttons and leavers - yet none of them open the door at the end of the Hall. Did you know there is a secret pond behind it? Well, now you do. Others believe the door has been locked to anyone who is not an Imm. They looked at the Authors, as they walked in and out of that stone door and said 'That's cheating'. In a sense - they are right. The imms have the reward without the journey. Now you can too! There are options for ways to get information without even playing the game. But they won't work for you. What these people DON'T realise is that the Secret Pond in the Violet Woods isn't why they're bad at this game. It's because they're chasing Experience Points over actual Experiences. The Authors never had the opportunity to experience their own areas. There is no great satisfaction in getting to the Secret Druid Pond if you can just teleport into the room. There's no joy in the story if you wrote the ending.

This game has never been about Experience Points. This game is about creating an Experience. Mystery is the magical flavour that distinguishes Carrionfields from everything else in that genre. You don't play Phoenix Wright once you know who's guilty. Many won't play this game when it becomes League of Bellends - Empire vs Fort.

If you want to remove the Mystery from it - then go ahead. There are now options for that. But be warned - Achievement is not in the goal. It's in how you get there. I've sunk countless hundreds of hours into delving Carrionfields secrets and it trained me to play Carrionfields better than the average man. I'll tell you now - the power they offer isn't great enough that you can't counter it with a Battlerager Scout. It's not the mystical secrets that are holding you back - it's your ability to understand your environment and combat the Mystery of it.

What Elystan says is right. Carrionfields isn't the game you're looking for if that's your desire. It might be the World of Warcraft RP server you want.

Yhorian
Subject Author Posted

Why losing FSV hurts the game

physics May 19, 2014 03:32AM

Great discussion (longish thoughts)..

thinhallen May 20, 2014 06:20AM

I blame drugs more than CF for the 10 year thing, but yeah :)

Sam May 20, 2014 11:28AM

This is a great sane summation of my thoughts as well.

Wendigotorn May 20, 2014 06:30AM

To vips.

physics May 20, 2014 03:32AM

I'm a benevolent dictator. (n/t)

Gabe(VIP) May 20, 2014 08:47PM

There are muds with MUCH more players so obviously some things were done incorrectly.

shaapa May 19, 2014 07:37PM

Have you played those MUDs?

daurwyn(VIP) May 19, 2014 09:28PM

Challenge isn't wasting your time doing something for a 1000 time or knowing where secret pond is or what stats is some skill dependant or writing a story what only imms will read. (n/t)

shaapa May 19, 2014 09:31PM

The point is

daurwyn(VIP) May 19, 2014 09:34PM

I don't believe CF playerbase are special people who like challenge.

shaapa May 19, 2014 09:43PM

Challenge doesn't factor into it.

MiyagiYojimbo May 20, 2014 05:52AM

I agree with this.

Ninall May 20, 2014 07:01AM

Note that you didn't say "I like CF for the obs/exp." This game needs more focus on interaction and less on obs/exp , ABS + preps, and Imm exp.

Perpetual_Noob May 20, 2014 09:16AM

It isn't my imagination

NbM(VIP) May 20, 2014 09:43AM

Skill/knowledge of players have increased, power limits have increased, no more roving gangs leaving corpses to full loot (or even full loots period). NT

Sam May 20, 2014 11:50AM

Not disputing the general argument

daurwyn(VIP) May 20, 2014 11:24AM

Your easy regear is a limit 2 item, on one of the most heavily progged mobs in the game?

Wendigotorn May 22, 2014 06:50AM

Conjie is particularly suited to getting certain gear

daurwyn(VIP) July 29, 2014 11:12AM

Re: Why losing FSV hurts the game

ekvilibr May 19, 2014 07:35PM

The loner flaw is a bad idea.

DurNominator(VIP) May 19, 2014 07:39PM

Funny thing

alex May 20, 2014 12:02AM

I already suggested this

daurwyn(VIP) May 21, 2014 09:40AM

That is a damn good idea. Have the option to trade your experience exp bonus for skill improvement bonus for all players. That would really speed things up. Alex you should post that idea on the official forum.

Frosty May 20, 2014 09:16PM

Banned there since my Tzar's support against Baer)

alex May 20, 2014 11:22PM

OR....

ekvilibr May 20, 2014 12:13AM

Re: OR....

alex May 20, 2014 09:32AM

Re: The loner flaw is a bad idea.

ekvilibr May 19, 2014 10:22PM

I actually wish there was an AFK command. Honestly, that's my biggest pet peeve with CF or than the timesink aspect. NT

Sam May 19, 2014 07:24PM

I agree 100% with you

Unnamed_ May 19, 2014 05:53PM

There'll be another site, just give it time.

Dalbrin May 19, 2014 03:48PM

I agree with Physics

enyuu May 19, 2014 03:16PM

Everybody obeys physics. -nt-

physics May 20, 2014 06:37AM

Wrong. (n/t)

Matrik May 20, 2014 06:38AM

Maybe Carrion Fields isn't the game for you.

Gabe(VIP) May 19, 2014 02:59PM

Honestly, if CF died but Dio's survived I'd totally be cool. You fucking assholes. :) NT

Sam May 19, 2014 07:22PM

Nope! Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

MiyagiYojimbo May 19, 2014 06:12AM

Mystery is attractive.

Yhorian May 19, 2014 05:28AM

I think you're romanticizing CF a little too much (n/t)

Demtok May 20, 2014 08:37AM

i play cf for the risk/reward of playerkilling. immortal interaction is also awesome. not here for mystery. nt

The Forsaken May 20, 2014 04:52AM

"Countless hundreds of hours"

Dalbrin May 19, 2014 03:57PM

"Vast amounts of Time", "countless hundreds of hours" turns into stupid little pk advantages that add up. Remove the pk advantages. nt

physics May 19, 2014 06:41AM

You can still get the pk advantages

daurwyn(VIP) May 19, 2014 09:32PM

You are why CF is dying.

PaulO May 19, 2014 06:40AM

Of course Yhorian feels that way, he was/is an imm

Tolnum May 21, 2014 01:57PM

That's not true. The knowledge part.

Matrik May 21, 2014 02:00PM

<3 for the arms race reference. NT

Sam May 20, 2014 11:52AM

Dragon lairs is an interesting one

daurwyn(VIP) May 19, 2014 11:16PM

Yep. NT

Sam May 19, 2014 07:21PM

I had to stop at the first paragraph I'm afraid. You don't know me, or my play style, at all. nt

Yhorian May 19, 2014 03:02PM

Yhorian played one of the most fun-to-interact with characters I've ever met on CF

Elystan May 19, 2014 07:03AM

Ditto

daurwyn(VIP) May 21, 2014 09:42AM

I agree with Highbutterfly's response

MiyagiYojimbo May 19, 2014 06:52AM

The point is to incentivize roleplaying the way Obs/Exp has been incentivized. (n/t)

PaulO May 19, 2014 06:55AM

I certainly have nothing against that.

MiyagiYojimbo May 19, 2014 07:00AM

Not just no, but hell no /anti-role command rant inside

Falstaff May 19, 2014 07:26AM

That's the disconnect

zannon May 19, 2014 07:44AM

Re: That's the disconnect

Falstaff May 19, 2014 07:50PM

Re: That's the disconnect

zannon May 20, 2014 02:55AM

Re: That's the disconnect

Falstaff May 20, 2014 04:02AM

I understand why perfectly well.

zannon May 20, 2014 05:18AM

Re: I understand why perfectly well.

Falstaff May 20, 2014 07:48AM

Re: I understand why perfectly well.

MiyagiYojimbo May 20, 2014 03:30PM

Re: I understand why perfectly well.

zannon May 20, 2014 08:24AM

During CF's golden times. The times everyone refers to....

crafteddeception May 19, 2014 03:39PM

Who says that you have to do storytelling?

DurNominator(VIP) May 20, 2014 05:08AM

This. (n/t)

Falstaff May 20, 2014 05:05AM

You put a shit load of words in my mouth there.

MiyagiYojimbo May 19, 2014 07:38AM

This man is coorect. nt

physics May 19, 2014 06:43AM

He would be correct if people played as he envisioned them.

zannon May 19, 2014 07:36AM

I didnt read this entire thing. But CF has changed

crafteddeception May 19, 2014 03:42PM

I refer you to.

SomeOneSpecial May 19, 2014 06:47PM

He was good..

thinhallen May 20, 2014 07:00AM

What I don't understand

zannon May 19, 2014 05:15AM

My opinion is that all cabals should be easy in. (n/t)

DurNominator(VIP) May 19, 2014 03:37AM

Strangely enough, it seems harder to get into Battle today than when you had to bring a mage body part. (n/t)

PaulO May 19, 2014 04:46AM

Lack of mages to PK - pretty soon they may just need to make it one mage NPC kill :P (n/t)

Nurok May 19, 2014 04:56AM

Yeah, I rolled up a shifter last week and basically ran back and forth on Eastern to try to help them out. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 19, 2014 06:05AM

I don't have a current right now but if you let me know when you do that again, I'll be on eastern with you :) (n/t)

funnyone May 19, 2014 05:41PM

I saw a midbie shifter (20's) yelling about this on Eastern earlier. A sacrificial mage death to keep the game going is becoming a thing. NT (n/t)

Falstaff May 19, 2014 07:56PM

" I want a game to log in, blast away, die, kill and have fun for about 45 minutes. "

Elystan May 19, 2014 03:36AM

If CF doesn't become that game, CF may die.

physics May 19, 2014 03:40AM

Then let it die with honour. Dumbing it down does nobody any favours. (n/t)

Elystan May 19, 2014 03:42AM

At some point, we need to either be a little more newbie friendly or be ok with CF having an active player list shorter than the wizlist.

Falstaff May 19, 2014 06:04AM

FSV was/is basically just a list of sleek locations and funnyone rants*. I think sleek locations should be public info. It's not like knowing a list of possible locations garuntees being able to find yours.

Elystan May 19, 2014 06:11AM

Oh that was definitely who you thought it was. You were rather transparent as well :)

Sam May 20, 2014 11:49AM

It also had answers to obscure, broken, or very difficult quests...

Perpetual_Noob May 19, 2014 05:50PM

I don't even know the address to this site so I don't know wtf you are talking about. (n/t)

funnyone May 19, 2014 05:33PM



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