Haha, I know you're being kinda sarcastic but

Lokain

August 29, 2014 07:29AM

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I think this is a good idea. They're really only good for low levels and they're somewhat prohibitively expensive at those low ranks too.

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Just got to ask why, Valg	Demtok	August 27, 2014 11:03AM
This is the kind of baseless shit that makes Imms walk away from the game. Good job douchebags. nt	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 09:44AM
I don't think you understand what baseless means (n/t)	Demtok	August 29, 2014 02:16PM
ADMIN Why isn't Demtok banned and this post deleted?	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 09:32AM
TRANSLATION: BWAAH! Why did the VIPs ban me?	DurNominator(VIP)	August 29, 2014 09:52AM
Because personal attacks, part of this forums rules, only apply when selectively. On top of that you're acting like a fucking baby	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 09:56AM
Demtok's post is about changes in the game, yours was about making fun of Pro.	DurNominator(VIP)	August 29, 2014 11:50AM
Again, you are wrong.	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 12:01PM
I don't see Demtok's post (OP) calling Valg names.	DurNominator(VIP)	August 29, 2014 12:27PM
re	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 01:01PM
Oh okay. So you're Pro. n/t	jalim	August 29, 2014 01:54PM
Sure? If that makes you feel better.	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 04:33PM
Stop it.	Matrik	August 29, 2014 12:15PM
Oh no don't call me Pro, you'll get banned.	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 12:19PM
No I won't...	Matrik	August 29, 2014 02:31PM
You should totally pm me so gabe can ban me nt	Stormcloak	August 29, 2014 04:34PM
You can thank the spammers for the login requirement. (n/t)	DurNominator(VIP)	August 29, 2014 12:31PM
Sounds like a challenge for someone to crusade against unfair moderation.	Matrik	August 29, 2014 11:53AM
Basically, insults are ok if you add some game context to it.	Matrik	August 29, 2014 10:07AM
Valg could seek redemption and make the blue flowers from kobolds only give detect invis :P (n/t)	shaapa	August 28, 2014 07:08PM
Haha, I know you're being kinda sarcastic but	Lokain	August 29, 2014 07:29AM
The only characters this change really hurts is Imperials...but	Lokain	August 28, 2014 04:22PM
Thumbs up.	Matrik	August 28, 2014 09:38AM
I'd be ok with it if it wasn't for the various donation systems in the game.	Death_Claw	August 28, 2014 09:00PM
Sheep don't have thumbs, silly	Demtok	August 28, 2014 09:55AM
I have proof I'm not a sheep.	Matrik	August 28, 2014 09:57AM
The Proof is in the pudding.	Demtok	August 28, 2014 10:00AM
There's a sheep in my boot!	Matrik	August 28, 2014 10:17AM
I thought you were bringing up the old joke about Wyoming... Why do Cowboys in Wyoming tuck their jeans into their boots?	Spronti	August 28, 2014 05:25PM
Facts for those interested	hug	August 28, 2014 06:30AM
Expect more outlanders I guess :) (n/t)	Murphy	August 28, 2014 06:51AM
Lol. I have no idea where this 100 gold spot is, and I never have any problems keeping great preps and a solid amount of gold for healing etc.	K-B	August 28, 2014 08:52AM
That 100 gold chest...	Death_Claw	August 28, 2014 08:59PM
Well there's always selling stuff but what constitutes "solid amount" differs for different people. (n/t)	Murphy	August 28, 2014 08:59AM
You really that surprised? Valg has always been a huge butt-dart	Nurok	August 28, 2014 04:13AM
He was right about pouches of nourishment being too common though (n/t)	daurwyn(VIP)	August 28, 2014 05:43AM
They became more common because of the herald bump...	Zruulg	August 28, 2014 11:12AM
This I do agree with also. But because pouches of nourishment are too common why not change how they are gathered/distributed, instead of changing the way currency is gained... (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 05:47AM
As people have noted, there was an exploit going on (n/t)	daurwyn(VIP)	August 28, 2014 06:08AM
It has been the same since uhm, 20 years? Why change it now?	hug	August 28, 2014 06:15AM
because one can be exploited by lowbies	daurwyn(VIP)	August 28, 2014 06:36AM
It's not an exploit.	Death_Claw	August 28, 2014 08:53PM
Eh it was buggy and it was exploited for years	Lokain	August 29, 2014 07:31AM
What's wrong with that	Demtok	August 28, 2014 09:06AM
You handed out pouches of nourishment to newbies?	Murphy	August 28, 2014 08:30PM
So you were single handedly responsible for inflation in CF?	sevriis	August 28, 2014 11:07AM
You're thinking of Jalim and his 1,000,000,000,000 gold bug (n/t)	Demtok	August 28, 2014 06:18PM
Demtok has played a pivotal role in nearly every major change to CF in the past two decades.	Matrik	August 28, 2014 11:09AM
Then fix that one location, not explosive super nerf of stuff been in game for 20 years n/t	hug	August 28, 2014 07:59AM
THAT'S NOT EXPLOITATION FOR FUCKS SAKE PEOPLE.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 06:52AM
It's an exploit because the mouth was INSIDE A LOCKED CHEST. The fact it could be opened was a mechanical oversight. Risk/reward doesn't factor into that	Elystan	August 28, 2014 06:54AM
The head is inside a locked chest, the key is inside the mouth in the head. That isn't an exploit, that IS hidden.	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:01AM
I think it is an exploit	daurwyn(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:28AM
It's not like they couldn't just put the key in the locked container to begin with...it's designed that way on purpose. n/t	Death_Claw	August 28, 2014 08:56PM
It'd be fairly obvious to the builder yes, so it may be intentional. Doesn't excuse the bad implementation, though. (n/t)	Murphy	August 29, 2014 12:33AM
Yes, the exploit. n/t	kostyan	August 28, 2014 07:29AM
You also can't grab the key as a lowbie ghost, further debunking this retarded "exploitation" theory. (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:07AM
You're speaking of two different things.	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:12AM
If it really was broken, it would have been fixed. It remains the same way now as it was before, meaning it did not need to be fixed, and if something doesn't need to be fixed it usually means it is not broken.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:25AM
Tell you what	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:38AM
no (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:39AM
They were wrong. You can't take an object from inside a locked chest without opening it first. It was broken, it's still broken.	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:29AM
You're on CF's staff? When will hell be open? (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:34AM
No but I have a brain (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:40AM
Re: You're speaking of two different things.	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:17AM
Common sense?	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:21AM
The entire problem is	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:25AM
Yeah, it wasn't a good way of adressing the imbalance. But people seem unwilling to admit there was anything broken there in the first place. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:27AM
Do you know for a fact it is broken? Did someone from the game's staff tell you this? Or are you making assumptions?	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:31AM
I don't believe you. Post on officials. Until then, you're telling me that taking things out of a locked box while it's still locked makes sense. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:35AM
Broken things get fixed. (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:37AM
Annnnnnd it got fixed!	Murphy	August 31, 2014 09:50AM
Not always	daurwyn(VIP)	August 28, 2014 11:56AM
I'm not sure if "exploit" is the right definition but... the corpse of a guard is inside the locked wardrobe. You can walk in, open the mouth of a corpse and get the key without unlocking said wardrobe. That's illogical and obviously not how it was meant.	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:05AM
So, I don't use this chest, but you can get the key without fighting the vampire?	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:07AM
Yes, I agree with that. But people are getting upset at me pointing out that this one particular instance was in fact broken. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:09AM
Nothing was broken. (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:11AM
Except this thing which was broken. You do the same thing with locking yourself out of your house as NBM and report back to me. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:14AM
Armoires can have more than one compartment. Tard. (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:20AM
So if the head was in another, open compartment all along, why can you only find out about it by unlocking the armoire? (n/t)	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:24AM
I asked long ago if there was something wrong with that room. I was told it is how it was meant to be.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:28AM
Yeah, ok, but how did they justify it? (n/t)	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:39AM
There is still risk involved.	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:10AM
It was broken. You shouldn't be able to take objects from inside locked containers. When you can, that's broken. Is this difficult for you? Lock yourself out of your house and try and get something from inside without unlocking or opening the door. You ca (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:14AM
You cast a magic? (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:35AM
You need to learn how to use the message box	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:19AM
I got three characters cut off. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by presuming you can't guess what they were (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:33AM
In this sense it still is. You can still get the key without killing Kelnarn. Right? It's just that it's no longer very rewarding to do so. (n/t)	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:17AM
The head is inside a locked chest. How is being able to take the key out of the mouth without opening the chest NOT an exploit? (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:04AM
So... as I said before, you change the singular exploit (if that is the case) instead of... well, everything. Which is what people are saying got changed. (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 06:50AM
that isn't the only one	Quas	August 28, 2014 07:26AM
Re: that isn't the only one	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 07:28AM
Ruining fun with menial tasks is the name of the game. (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 04:35AM
This.	Nurok	August 28, 2014 05:08AM
He didn't add grind. He took grind away.	Matrik	August 28, 2014 09:27AM
Making gold gathering take way more time takes the grind away?! Huh? (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 10:44AM
Try to take the next logical step.	Matrik	August 28, 2014 10:55AM
Re: Try to take the next logical step.	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 10:59AM
preps	Quas	August 28, 2014 11:06AM
None of those require farming gold at 500 gold per 30 minutes.	Matrik	August 28, 2014 11:03AM
That's crazy	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 11:19AM
Depends how big the spider is. (n/t)	Matrik	August 28, 2014 11:20AM
If it's as fat and neckbearded as most CFers, it's probably best we burn the entire planet. (n/t)	sevriis	August 28, 2014 11:32AM
You will need to burn more than that if you mean to target me specifically. (n/t)	Matrik	August 28, 2014 11:33AM
Yep. No such thing as spot reduction. (n/t)	SÌÍ„Í—Ì‚Í ÌˆÌ¾ÍÌ”Ì…ÍÌ“ÍƒÍ€Í ÌÌŒÌ‡Ì„ÌŽÌ€ÌÍŠÌ‘ÌŠÌ”ÌšÍ†Ì›Ì‰ÌŒÌÌ‚Ì“Ì‹Ì‰Í‹Ì…ÍŒÌ‘Ì€ÍŠÍ‚Ì“ÌŒÌ‰Í‹Í„Í Í‹Í†Ì„ÌŽÍ†Ì‰Ì›ÌÍÌˆÍŠÌÌŠÌ‚ÍÍ’ÌŠÍ„Ì’Ì€ÌÌƒÌ€Í˜ÌÌŠÌ”Ì”Ì’Ì³ÌŸÌ—Ì©Ì»ÍˆÌ»Ì§Ì²Ì¡Ì«ÌŸÌ™ÍÌ«Í–Ì¨Ì¹Ì©Ì Ì ÌªÌ¦Ì¤ÌœÍšÌŸtÌŠÌ€ÌˆÍ’ÌÌŒÍŠÍÍŒÌÍ„ÍÌ”ÌˆÌ•Ì›Ì„Í‹ÌŽÌÍ„Í	August 28, 2014 01:05PM
Heh, touche. I cede this one to you.	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 11:23AM
but if 60% of people aren't naturally grinding to compete doesn't that make your need to grind less?	Quas	August 28, 2014 07:29AM
that's dumb of you to say. the chest abuse was way out of line and tilting game balance. nt	The Forsaken	August 28, 2014 04:52AM
Per Demtoks example: Being able to grab say 5 gold per run instead of 500 copper per run was tilting game balance?!?! (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 05:23AM
Actually yes, that single chest was by far the most efficient way to gather in the lower levels	Elystan	August 28, 2014 05:48AM
I feel bad I don't know about this chest you speak of...but both of my more recent characters had over 1000 gold in the bank. NT	Sam	August 28, 2014 11:55AM
No, it was not "out of whack" and the possibility to farm that chest was not unfair in any way shape or form. This change is fucking stupid, period.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 06:22AM
If the chest was perfectly in line with other available methods of collecting gold why is there such a fuss? It wasn't in line with them. I agree that gold should be easier to farm, not harder, but it's also true that this particular exploit far outstripp (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 06:31AM
You're wrong about a lot of things, this is just one of them. (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 06:55AM
How can I be wrong about a question? If I'm incorrect in my assertion that farming that chest was far more efficient than other options, then stop complaining and use the equally efficient other options.	Elystan	August 28, 2014 06:59AM
Then you answered your own question with a statement, a statement that was wrong.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:03AM
I was right, the fact you're even arguing it proves me right. If there were other methods that were equally efficient you wouldn't be in here trying to score pedant points to vent your frustration. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:06AM
No, you're not "right" about anything here. You're point is moot. Who fucking cares if it was the "best" chest to for lowbies to farm? WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MATTER?	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:09AM
I don't know, you're the one losing their shit over it. Obviously it matters to you	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:12AM
I'm sorry if morons annoy me. You have terrible logic. (n/t)	Frosty	August 28, 2014 07:22AM
Awe-ful? like Awe-some? I'm aware. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:43AM
Isn't that why gentlewalk got adjusted...? (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 06:00AM
I tested many chests. All the best ones are heavily nerfed	Demtok	August 28, 2014 05:51AM
If this oncludes the ones with nasty dragon-type things guarding them, I weep for the Imperials I will never be able to play	Elystan	August 28, 2014 06:10AM
Gold farming for Imperials is already annoying enough, it takes away from the pk if it's PvGold instead of PvP (n/t)	Demtok	August 28, 2014 09:18AM
afaik, the chest i found hasn't been changed?	silatar	August 28, 2014 04:54AM
Different chest I assume (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 04:55AM
kind of figured he changed all chests, but guess it sounds like it was just the one? (n/t)	silatar	August 28, 2014 05:19AM
The changes say 'certain coin piles in containers or lying around'	Elystan	August 28, 2014 05:40AM
They could have just fixed the exploit. It WAS an exploit	Elystan	August 28, 2014 04:54AM
Exploit is a bit of an overstatement on 5k per reset.	Ayathkiran	August 28, 2014 06:21AM
It was clearly an exploit	Elystan	August 28, 2014 06:29AM
Sharing information in game is NOT an exploit, a bug or against the rules	Ayathkiran	August 28, 2014 08:31AM
It's been explained in excruciating detail, several times why this was an exploit	Elystan	August 28, 2014 08:40AM
It's not an exploit. If it was, Daev would have changed it once he was done using it.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 03:24PM
It's not a fucking exploit!	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 09:21AM
It's funny how everyone is arguing about the term. (n/t)	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:43PM
Tou're either stupid or delusional	Elystan	August 28, 2014 11:14AM
T'm certainly not stupid or delusional	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 11:21AM
this is idiotic. it's an exploit, clearly not the intent of the area writer but possible through a mistake (aka bug) they made. (n/t)	silatar	August 28, 2014 11:27AM
Do you know the writer of the area? (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 11:29AM
sorry, you're right. of course they intended you to be able to get something out of a locked chest without opening it. ffs this is absurd. (n/t)	silatar	August 28, 2014 11:35AM
Your "exploit" still isn't fixed	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 11:41AM
lol	sevriis	August 28, 2014 11:51AM
You're wrong.	Frosty	August 28, 2014 03:31PM
Back off bucko, this here's my trough of emotional swill. (n/t)	Matrik	August 28, 2014 11:16AM
Because a puppy hasn't been kicked down a staircase lately.	Death_Claw	August 27, 2014 10:39PM
Actually it could make gold gathering easier	daurwyn(VIP)	August 27, 2014 12:19PM
What else is there? An edge? (n/t)	Elystan	August 27, 2014 12:21PM
No	daurwyn(VIP)	August 27, 2014 12:26PM
I meant with regards to other ways to increase luck besides gear (how can you tell with gear anyway? contact other planes?) (n/t)	Elystan	August 27, 2014 12:34PM
Sometimes the gear gives an echo	daurwyn(VIP)	August 27, 2014 10:25PM
I like the chest changes.	Matrik	August 27, 2014 11:29AM
If the contents were 5000 copper(5 gold), if you return after the area repopulates you will get like $3.50 (n/t)	Demtok	August 27, 2014 11:34AM
Lochness Monster be like now you know. n/t	jalim	August 27, 2014 12:27PM
Doesn't bother me.	Matrik	August 27, 2014 11:41AM
That's not how it works.	Demtok	August 27, 2014 11:46AM
As in the chest always had 5 gold before?	Matrik	August 27, 2014 06:20PM
This change helps kill lowbie PK, refresh costs are enormous (n/t)	Elystan	August 27, 2014 12:03PM
I never used chest farming for gold that much	Quas	August 28, 2014 06:08AM
Completing the lowbie quests takes how long for like, 1 gold? You could get 8-12 in less time than that. (n/t)	Elystan	August 28, 2014 06:20AM
I tend to complete the quests and solo rank to 12 in about an hour so... how long does it take you?	Quas	August 28, 2014 07:19AM
I don't time myself getting to level 12, I time myself getting to 100% parry, usually 4-8 hours	Elystan	August 28, 2014 07:25AM
Pfff. Refreshes. I weep for my whirling staves.	Murphy	August 28, 2014 07:52AM
just barter instead of using gold for refresh	Quas	August 28, 2014 07:33AM
Carry weight, inventory space, checking stock, anticipating the exact number of refreshes for each journey, planning routes to restock on barter items	Elystan	August 28, 2014 08:43AM
Well, they continue the line with the weight, moves regen etc.	kostyan	August 27, 2014 11:09AM
Yes, and now we aren't playing Carrion Fields. We are playing "Go to Work to Pay Bills and Buy Food Fields"	NbM(VIP)	August 28, 2014 05:30AM
You can like or dislike it. I just stay that its a logical line. n/t	kostyan	August 28, 2014 05:32AM
More like a logical fallacy = terrible error of reasoning (n/t)	Demtok	August 28, 2014 05:49AM
Then why didn't you start to cry at the weight changes?	kostyan	August 28, 2014 05:53AM
C'mon, how can anyone NOT hate that spammy pouch? (n/t)	Murphy	August 27, 2014 11:48AM
Ah, if it's logic you're after...	Demtok	August 27, 2014 11:15AM

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