Yeah, pretty much-- and assassins too while we're at it

August 22, 2016 05:07PM
You pretty well sum up my experience with monks. They have a hard time killing you but can be a major annoyance.

Yet are they worse than assassins? Seriously: Stealth, hide everywhere, see anything (mark), various very useful utility (vanish, darts, etc.), strong defense, reliable maledict/weapon drop (kans/kot, nerve, caltraps), high damage output with minimal gear, kicks, extreme lag moves available by mid ranks (throw, ground control--also simultaneous high damage output), trance.. oh.and don't forget assassinate.

Both sure seem like they could use some changes to balance things out, make them a bit more utility/niche and less offensive.
Subject Author Posted

Why the f*** do monk paladins exist?

Ultec August 22, 2016 10:50AM

Re: Why the f*** do monk paladins exist?

wasted August 23, 2016 09:28PM

I'll join with my "monks suck" five cents

Kstatida August 23, 2016 07:13AM

Most classes suck unprepped and permalagged after an ambush. (n/t)

ORB August 23, 2016 08:19AM

This. Gromm is a terrible example.

zannon August 23, 2016 08:53AM

Lol you ppl are awesome :) (n/t)

Kstatida August 23, 2016 09:26AM

It isn't that Gromm is a terrible example - he is simply the scissors to their paper.

Nurok August 23, 2016 09:35AM

Ripped them up with my Orc chief and Varaez

Nurok August 23, 2016 06:18AM

Tanky shifter. Frustrate them the way they frustrate everyone else.

Murphy August 23, 2016 10:09AM

Ap can kill them

daurwyn(VIP) August 23, 2016 03:06AM

I'll add

daurwyn(VIP) August 23, 2016 09:23AM

I'll add

daurwyn(VIP) August 23, 2016 09:23AM

Defiance is gettable at 45(quickly w some midbie help)

demos August 23, 2016 09:41AM

Last time I was a part of a group to get it, was me (Storm HTH/Polearm) + Arngrum (think that was his name, Dwarf Shield ded) + Vallinane (Elf Thief) + Healer sitting one room out. Was super easy. Got it done in two passes, 8 minutes or so? NT

Sam August 23, 2016 11:17AM

Method used which required a thief is gone

Ayathkiran August 24, 2016 01:22PM

Well, we killed the King for HumanSunder, so it wasn't just a smash and grab. NT

Sam August 24, 2016 01:29PM

The short time involved

Ayathkiran August 24, 2016 01:41PM

Arngrum had Fortitude and was crazy decked.

Sam August 24, 2016 01:46PM

No idea why that double-posted. NT

Sam August 24, 2016 01:29PM

Re: Last time I was a part of a group to get it, was me (Storm HTH/Polearm) + Arngrum (think that was his name, Dwarf Shield ded) + Vallinane (Elf Thief) + Healer sitting one room out. Was super easy. Got it done in two passes, 8 minutes or so? NT

demos August 23, 2016 01:30PM

maps

Ayathkiran August 24, 2016 12:49PM

they don't love you like I love you n/t

jalim August 24, 2016 12:50PM

Except for whole need a paladin to pick it up aspect

zannon August 23, 2016 10:03AM

Voker full abs +++

demos August 23, 2016 11:01AM

I think the Nep solo idea would be a storm giant 2 hander spamming strike with a lot of preppage.

Nurok August 23, 2016 10:11AM

I still think elf/shield ded with right virtues is better than monk.

Nurok August 23, 2016 09:25AM

Existential questions are tricky. Why do liches exist? Why does bash exist? (n/t)

Murphy August 23, 2016 12:26AM

help 2539. (n/t)

GoldenApple August 23, 2016 12:29AM

Also known as "help why". Exactly. (n/t)

Murphy August 23, 2016 01:24AM

Re: Why the f*** do monk paladins exist?

ekvilibr August 22, 2016 11:37PM

They are sting against melee builds

Quas August 22, 2016 08:43PM

Yeah, pretty much-- and assassins too while we're at it

DuneTree August 22, 2016 05:07PM

You can't die to monks unless you lag yourself.

dhargor August 22, 2016 12:02PM

This will sound cheesy but...

ujudludul August 22, 2016 11:45AM

I thought trannies were OP before I played, and I thought they were EVEN MORE OP afterwards. Heh. NT

Sam August 22, 2016 02:38PM

Trannies were OP as soon as they got their own bathrooms. (n/t)

Telufial August 22, 2016 02:54PM



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