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July 22, 2017 12:49PM
Very interesting idea. Some of the quotes I totaly agree with:

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- Because not only is the newbie at the disadvantage that all of you masochistic neets and old farts refuse to rank without perfecting your skills, but you also all spend hours gathering preps so you can be battle ready. The newbie doesn't stand a chance. The newbie doesn't delete, but his logins become more and more sparse until he stops playing all together.

- This will mean that players can only get PvP buffs from other players -- bards, trannies, etc. This will do a couple of things:

- Encourage more support classes to be rolled
- Make PK based more on (haha moron) ability to fight than ability to prep
- Make about 16 of the current 20 players stop playing entirely, but good riddance you power gamey loons

- People wouldn't have to spend hours and hours gathering preps as they would now be effectively useless in PK. This is a reduction in the time sink experienced by some players.
- This would diminish the learning curve for new players AND narrow the spread between the guys with* the prep lists, and the guys without.

- IMHO, simply knowing where to find gear and an understanding of the mechanics of the game gives you enough of an advantage over noobs that you don't need preps.
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Other than making CF easier for newbies (IMHO they are much more valuable than vets) I see another advantage: the necessity to interact more with other players (especially support classes) in order to be stronger. I think there's too much "lone wolf" who rely on their immense knowledge of the game to steamroll anybody they can. I think the capacity to steamroll (or be unkillable) is not only boring but bad for CF survival.

As I get older, my time gets more and more precious. One of the great satisfactions in CF is to be able to pk another player: not having to prep in order to reasonably expect to be able to do so is the main reason I rarely play something else than Battle Berserkers.

I'd love to role something else again but I don't have the patience/interest to run around loosing my time for preping. I prefer to spend my time interacting with other players.... too bad (but understandable as we get older) there's just less and less of them.

P.S. : I'm no coder but if the task to distinguish between buff provided by preps and player is too complicated, I would love to see the amount of prep reduced drasticaly.
P.S.S. : Wouldn't be cool to have, instead of Enchanters, an Alchemist class being able to make preps that would vanish (to avoid stacking) after a short amount of time ?! Would probably be a very popular pick...
Subject Author Posted

Idea: Overhaul prepping system

Stevers July 22, 2017 09:30AM

Just thought of a minor issue.. What if a player uses a 'prep' like a scroll against another player? n/t

twistedvoid July 23, 2017 11:07AM

The scroll would still throw the item flag, no matter who it is used on. Whether or not that type of prep should be removed from affecting PK, I'm not sure about. n/t

Stevers July 23, 2017 11:27AM

Let's all roll ragers. (n/t)

bhagavan July 22, 2017 05:01PM

But then I can't perma with a tranny and a healer n/t

Stevers July 22, 2017 06:00PM

Wasn't there a tranny healer(bard) in BATTLE? (n/t)

Frosty July 22, 2017 09:04PM

I remember the AP in battle (n/t)

Zheeser July 23, 2017 01:56PM

Needlessly over complicated. The better solution is full loot/sac.

Matrik July 22, 2017 04:09PM

That would be a fine solution if I could PK them in the first place. n/t

Stevers July 22, 2017 04:09PM

Maybe if we team up, we can make this happen. (n/t)

Matrik July 22, 2017 04:10PM

I doubt it, but PM me. n/t

Stevers July 22, 2017 04:11PM

I'll PM someone else and then you snoop them. (n/t)

Matrik July 22, 2017 04:12PM

Whoops, meant to read this from my daurwyn account n/t

Stevers July 22, 2017 04:12PM

Butt mad and bad. Fled with tail between legs. (n/t)

Matrik July 22, 2017 04:15PM

I don't want to put in the work that someone else has to learn areas and preps, so let's make all that work meaningless in PK. (n/t)

saagkri July 22, 2017 02:59PM

And preps will be meaningless when there's nobody to kill... Look at the pop right now. n/t

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 05:00PM

Now you're getting it! I don't care how long you spent learning about preps, I care about myself.

Stevers July 22, 2017 03:25PM

There's no evidence to support that.

saagkri July 23, 2017 12:19PM

So you endorse my suggestion for Item Search overhaul

Kstatida July 22, 2017 09:50PM

Yes, but you are essentially just taking what all they did and time they invested and throwing it down the garbage.

BlkDrgn July 22, 2017 03:43PM

Alternatively, quit crying MUH PREPS and learn how to PK without them. My changes make PK more about skill than who has the most time to learn about and gather preps.

Stevers July 22, 2017 04:07PM

The problem with your logic is I don't prep hardly ever.

BlkDrgn July 23, 2017 05:48AM

If only we had some data on..

istirith July 23, 2017 09:18AM

Re: The problem with your logic is I don't prep hardly ever.

Stevers July 23, 2017 08:32AM

This is fixed easier

Kstatida July 23, 2017 12:31PM

well said (n/t)

mcbeth July 23, 2017 06:31AM

This topic needs to be posted on Official Forums

frob July 22, 2017 12:49PM

God would I love to see this happen.

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 10:48AM

I disagree with your conclusion...

saagkri July 22, 2017 02:58PM

I can tell you for a fact a lot of newbs leave CF..

istirith July 22, 2017 03:03PM

So, now what do I do when there's no one to kill? We need things to do other than PK. (n/t)

saagkri July 22, 2017 03:21PM

Try doing some quests, writing roles, RPing, PvE, gear gathering, helping newbies out, ranking, farming gold, gathering commerce exp, upping your skills, something constructive with your life n/t

Stevers July 22, 2017 03:31PM

Gear. Explore. Look for groups or people to interact with.

istirith July 22, 2017 03:29PM

I know this is a dead horse

Kstatida July 22, 2017 09:49PM

so..

istirith July 23, 2017 04:21AM

Pretty stupid to start with

Kstatida July 23, 2017 04:37AM

Not all preps need to have their effects negated.

Stevers July 23, 2017 08:09AM

This wouldn't include..

istirith July 23, 2017 04:43AM

That's about balancing for skill

Kstatida July 23, 2017 12:19PM

False.

MiyagiYojimbo July 23, 2017 03:32PM

It's never fair

Kstatida July 24, 2017 10:57AM

It's disheartening

Kstatida July 26, 2017 04:58AM

Says the man arguing his point on a shitpost bait topic n/t

Stevers July 26, 2017 06:37AM

That's the point!

Kstatida July 26, 2017 06:39AM

You don't win anything until you perma with me and get me above 100 PKs n/t

Stevers July 26, 2017 06:42AM

do losses count? n/t

jalim July 26, 2017 07:11AM

If losses counted, I would be the PK champion n/t

Stevers July 26, 2017 07:18AM

I never knew!

MiyagiYojimbo July 24, 2017 09:54PM

By the way, yes (n/t)

Kstatida July 25, 2017 02:52AM

Ah so you're saying we should put people on the same level in terms of knowledge

Stevers July 24, 2017 08:54PM

First we deal with knowledge

Kstatida July 25, 2017 02:53AM

It's always fair.

Matrik July 24, 2017 11:07AM

Eh.

istirith July 23, 2017 01:29PM

How long have you been playing now? nt

istirith July 22, 2017 10:53AM

YEARS n/t

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 11:04AM

We'll have to work on getting you to hero.

istirith July 22, 2017 11:35AM

Lies. Only gets harder for me to hero with each character. (n/t)

Matrik July 22, 2017 04:14PM

I am. Now that xp holes were explained to me, dying to mobs doesn't sound as horrible n/t

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 11:41AM

I'll bite.

istirith July 22, 2017 09:35AM

Re: I'll bite.

Borkahd July 22, 2017 01:34PM

It's not about preps

Kstatida July 23, 2017 12:38PM

Ok so, which is more important, new players sticking around or a time sink for old players? n/t

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 11:03AM

Both are important.

istirith July 22, 2017 11:15AM

Re: How would you go about adding flags to make preps PvE only?

Stevers July 22, 2017 10:01AM

Biggest issue is distinguishing between

istirith July 22, 2017 11:42AM

Not that difficult. The hard part would be when combat is initiated.

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 12:32PM

I don't think that's right.

Stevers July 22, 2017 12:38PM

Either way the buff doesn't count into the equasion n/t

twistedvoid July 22, 2017 12:49PM

Re: Biggest issue is distinguishing between

Stevers July 22, 2017 12:02PM



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