Re: Is Battlerager Elitism still relevant?

October 06, 2017 02:16PM
The cabal historically has had a major motif, magic hating, and a leitmotif, greatest warriors in thera. Thror bumped the second one up so that this elitist characteristic essentially became equal to magic hating. So there was never a time it wasn't elitist, but the part about being the best of the best fighters, while old at this point, was heightened sometime back in the mid 00's.

Nothing I've seen indicates rager applicants have to do anything more than they did in the past, in fact it appears they have to do much less, but that seems reasonable given the descriptions of how few people play, of which only a subset would be mages. I can't imagine how a non-hiding non-svirf applicant gets a kill if there really are only one or two mages in range, and often none at all. But of course for most of my rager lifetime, the requirement was to kill one of each type of mage, or at least two or three. Going down to just one also was a change - and a good change, for the most part.

Requiring an interview to demonstrate some rp has always been valid, for every cabal. I don't see why it would be challenged for ragers. With Susubienko and even Vershelt we would make them go get items for the veil, or identify boss mobs in very mage-centric areas, or provide directions to all enemy cabals, etc. Still seems reasonable. And recommendations. If there are so few ragers, then only one should suffice, or, if the applicant can't even find one, then perhaps inform the leaders and the leaders should do so directly.

Finally, regarding the subthread about rager powers, a few points. First, you're really only talking about berserkers, not scouts or defenders. Admittedly there always were a lot more berserkers, but let's just at least acknowledge that no one should ever think a defender or scout is OP.

Second, someone commented that spellbane takes care of mages. That statement makes clear that this person has never played a battlerager. Spellbane is not nearly as effective as you think. I suspect current village players could show you logs of spellbane not working for a whole fight, round after round.

Third, deathblow is great, when it hits, and when it hits on unprotected people. How often is that? It's great for tipping balances and getting some great deathblow parting blows, and it is a great power, but it is not as great as you think.

Fourth, bloodthirst is more dangerous to the rager than to the enemy. Just one example, you mentioned when a villager thirsts his enemy loses the ability to charge. True. But the enemy now can just enter and retreat and the villager eats charge sets. There are a host of drawbacks to thirst, both while thirsting and after, that are eminently expoloitable.

Fifth, rager powers are good. But they top out far below the powers of other cabals and even non-caballed, who prep. Take an imperial blade, and let's just say a regular imperial blade, not even emperor or sect leader. With people getting preps from all over, that warrior will more often than not defeat the rager. There are a lot of historical examples and I have to imagine that hasn't changed. In fact, given that most of the players now seem to be experienced, ragers will be fighting people with various preps, including dam redux. Best non-rager warriors (and others) are just more powerful than best ragers.

Sixth and finally, a general point. With a few exceptions, any kill a rager gets - any kill - is the result of the dead person's mistake. The reality is no rager should ever get a kill, at all. That's because again, with a few exceptions, no one needs to fight a rager, and anyone can simply move away by magic, either recall or teleport. People who die to ragers die because they made the choice to fight a rager. You see a rager in the area, go away. They can't follow. They have your cabal item? Wait until they are gone, or go and then just teleport, and whittle the giant down. If they aren't svirf and below level 25. Yes, hiders and rangers may surprise you, but they really shouldn't, you should be spamming who and where often enough that you see them awake, and then it's your fault if they catch you.

Every rager win is a gift, plain and simple. The thing is, people *like* fighting ragers, because when they win, they feel they have accomplished something. It's just that when they die, they blame the rager or rager powers. They shouldn't. They should blame themselves.

Ok, off to dinner with the wife.
Subject Author Posted

Is Battlerager Elitism still relevant?

frob October 05, 2017 03:14PM

My thought on joining the village.

xrus October 07, 2017 02:16AM

Current leaders are on allllll the time (n/t)

demos October 07, 2017 09:05PM

I've seen both of the leaders in the past two days, multiple times. Probably more than that but I don't remember everything. (n/t)

Frosty October 07, 2017 06:33AM

Re: Is Battlerager Elitism still relevant?

alansmithee October 06, 2017 02:16PM

Do you mastrubate while writing on dios? Since

mharldarn October 09, 2017 02:47PM

You are irony impaired.

alansmithee October 11, 2017 08:23AM

Look who got the butthurt here, our jew advocate! :)

mharldarn October 11, 2017 11:50PM

Do go see a physician about that localized pain you're feeling. It can kill you if it goes untreated. (n/t)

alansmithee October 13, 2017 05:10AM

Aren't you the guy that posted an image of his office with TP dispenser attached to desk? (n/t)

Matrik October 11, 2017 02:06PM

For the record, it was a loose roll of TP

HairyOrangutan October 13, 2017 07:54PM

Oh stop being envious

Kstatida October 11, 2017 08:28AM

I am Russian.

alansmithee October 11, 2017 09:01AM

Thank you

Kstatida October 11, 2017 09:09AM

Um, did I misread that? Anti-sematism isn't cool or appropriate. (n/t)

saagkri October 09, 2017 02:55PM

In Russia, we don't give a shit about jew jokes

Kstatida October 10, 2017 01:21AM

I meant anti-semitism and I didn't get the joke. (n/t)

saagkri October 10, 2017 07:37AM

It's beront understanding of wordplay in English

Kstatida October 10, 2017 10:51PM

It's so nice of you to translate from beront-speak.

Murphy October 12, 2017 03:01AM

So a jew supremacist? (n/t)

Matrik October 12, 2017 04:14PM

According to badboy (n/t)

Kstatida October 12, 2017 11:03PM

All native speakers, I suppose?

Kstatida October 12, 2017 03:03AM

These are translator's false friends. In beront-speak, "I'm sorry" actually means "Fuck you". (n/t)

Murphy October 12, 2017 04:16AM

Zet right, comrade, ill kill er lazt. Be my perzonal translator

mharldarn October 12, 2017 04:34AM

Romanian I wager :)

Kstatida October 12, 2017 05:08AM

Pff

mharldarn October 12, 2017 05:16AM

Lol. (n/t)

Matrik October 09, 2017 03:21PM

Re: Is Battlerager Elitism still relevant?

asker October 09, 2017 01:22PM

I thought my last Rager would be OP

Kez October 06, 2017 02:29PM

What was the build? (n/t)

xrus October 07, 2017 04:23AM

Frost HTH/flail HPM lol :) (n/t)

Kstatida October 10, 2017 10:53PM

The Battle Issue

saagkri October 06, 2017 12:58AM

It's not enough

frob October 06, 2017 07:38AM

Can you give give example of the elitism?

TJHuron October 05, 2017 06:36PM

here's two

frob October 05, 2017 07:46PM

mixed opinions

ellokraine October 05, 2017 04:05PM

So you say yes?

frob October 05, 2017 08:07PM

Re: So you say yes?

ellokraine October 06, 2017 07:31AM



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