Felar chief is Neutral

May 09, 2018 09:28AM
You keep saying the chief is evil, he is not, as you were already told.
If you are making more of a reference to a paladin summoning Ghaelek, which I have never once seen done, then maybe your argument is a bit more valid. The better part of the code to look to in regards to summoning may be never betray your comrades or cower in fear, since arguably summoning a mob to take your place is cowering or a form of betrayal. But I'd say, so long as the paladin does not flee and abandon the summoned NPC to die, he is within the bounds of acceptable.

But since you're all gung ho about interpreting the code, what about this.
Paladin PC is defending the Fort, imperial invoker/bard whatever comes.
Paladin promptly summon a host of NPC paladin mobs.
Is this a problem?

These are fellow paladins. What harm have you done in bringing them to where the darkness is so they may combat it?
That they may die? So, they accept that as part of their code, as you have stated in #4 (#6 works too)
If anything, those NPCs should be thankful to the PC for bringing them to the darkness.
(looks to be consistent with #4, #5, #6 and maybe even #12)

And how does all of this reconcile with cry of the phoenix?
A paladin is fighting the emperor, maran cries in. Should the paladin tell them to leave? I mean, harm may come to them otherwise.

As an aside, when a goodie summons a goodie, no harm has been brought to the goodie. It is the evil that strikes them and so brings the harm. So summoning a goodie or neutral NPC can not be inherently bad in itself. Putting them in potential harms way maybe, but that's relying on the paladin knowing harm will come to them, which maybe he does, maybe he does not, depending on the situation.
Subject Author Posted

Hey Grord! I have spotted a pattern that I think you might find interesting.

Frosty May 07, 2018 04:10PM

He has no stat coverage

Kstatida May 08, 2018 04:52AM

I noticed something that makes Shokai sad.

donsampson May 08, 2018 12:05AM

I've seen plenty of storm giants from the Mount outside the Village too (n/t)

Kez May 08, 2018 11:42AM

Oh how some things never change.

alansmithee May 08, 2018 12:12PM

Re: Oh how some things never change.

asker May 08, 2018 07:55PM

Oh cool so by your standard...

Matrik May 09, 2018 04:52AM

Re: Oh cool so by your standard...

asker May 09, 2018 06:09AM

Mobs are people too.

Matrik May 09, 2018 06:25AM

When were you last accepted into marans for killing an evil NPC?

Murphy May 09, 2018 02:18PM

Hey there, welcome to Carrion Fields!

Matrik May 09, 2018 02:27PM

No it doesn't imply that.

Murphy May 09, 2018 02:32PM

Absolutely you implied that.

Matrik May 09, 2018 02:59PM

I am using reductio ad absurdum, which is a valid argument. You are using demagogy. Move along. (n/t)

Murphy May 09, 2018 03:00PM

Gotta disagree here

Kez May 09, 2018 02:53PM

As far as *MY* character is concerned, yes.

Murphy May 09, 2018 02:57PM

Limitations of the medium.

Matrik May 09, 2018 03:04PM

FYI, I wouldn't do that if I was a paladin.

Murphy May 09, 2018 03:06PM

Then why in the world would you defend the behaviour?

Matrik May 09, 2018 03:07PM

I'm not defending it. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the game.

Murphy May 09, 2018 03:11PM

That's still limitations of the medium.

Matrik May 09, 2018 04:05PM

Alright, then summoning the felar chief is also a limitation of the medium.

Murphy May 09, 2018 04:52PM

It's an abuse of the limitation. Not a concession to it.

Matrik May 09, 2018 05:49PM

Use is not abuse. It is working within the limitation.

Murphy May 09, 2018 05:58PM

So...

saagkri May 09, 2018 08:11PM

That's not reasonable. (n/t)

Murphy May 09, 2018 08:48PM

Re: Use is not abuse. It is working within the limitation.

Matrik May 09, 2018 07:10PM

I fail to see the difference. (n/t)

Murphy May 09, 2018 07:22PM

Do you even English?

MiyagiYojimbo May 09, 2018 07:40PM

Sorry.

Matrik May 09, 2018 07:31PM

Being obtuse for the sake of argument is what you do.

Murphy May 09, 2018 08:09PM

Completely wrong.

Matrik May 10, 2018 04:56AM

You guys should take this to Officials for IMM thoughts (n/t)

Kez May 09, 2018 07:06PM

I did. They haven't responded.

Matrik May 09, 2018 07:12PM

Punishment might be too far.

Kez May 09, 2018 07:24PM

Agreed.

Matrik May 09, 2018 07:29PM

Re: Mobs are people too.

asker May 09, 2018 07:22AM

You make too many assumptions to pull this off.

Matrik May 09, 2018 08:19AM

Re: You make too many assumptions to pull this off.

asker May 09, 2018 10:32AM

I don't think you know what collusion means.

Matrik May 09, 2018 10:38AM

Here is a nice little break down.

Matrik May 09, 2018 08:28AM

Done wit this convo. Not going to indulge your trolling. (n/t)

asker May 09, 2018 10:33AM

Matrik is correct (n/t)

Kez May 09, 2018 11:52AM

How is pointing out where you're wrong trolling?

Matrik May 09, 2018 10:39AM

Felar chief is Neutral

zannon May 09, 2018 09:28AM

Re: Felar chief is Neutral

Matrik May 09, 2018 09:47AM

Re: Felar chief is Neutral

zannon May 09, 2018 11:00AM

Oh I see. Apologies.

Matrik May 09, 2018 11:20AM

You are all over the place. And also wrong.

Java May 09, 2018 09:42AM

Yep

Matrik May 09, 2018 09:52AM

Neutral is not good

Quas May 09, 2018 10:41AM

Good is not paladin.

Matrik May 09, 2018 10:51AM

Minor correction: in this particular case the felar chief is not a meat shield. It's more there so the rager doesn't escape. (n/t)

Murphy May 09, 2018 02:28PM

Negative.

Matrik May 09, 2018 03:05PM

I think the disconnect between us is your point 2

Quas May 09, 2018 11:42AM

Not going to continue this conversation you troll.

Matrik May 09, 2018 12:30PM

Not my experience at all.

Murphy May 09, 2018 02:24PM

I had an evil that treated your goodie like a brother!

wrathpuppet May 09, 2018 02:54PM

the past is the past

Quas May 08, 2018 02:24PM

Counsel, approach the park bench?

wrathpuppet May 08, 2018 01:16PM

Wow. That's a damn good point.

Matrik May 08, 2018 05:37AM

The real Umiron would have said “staves.” (n/t)

wrathpuppet May 07, 2018 07:27PM

Self-character-assassination seems to be a trend - first that Empire dude, now this Villager - meh - deal with it (n/t)

Noone of significance May 07, 2018 06:16PM

Thank you. I'm well aware, but still thank you.

Frosty May 07, 2018 06:41PM



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