And I always sucked at PVP for the most part because my adrenaline would pump up too hard to respond as I really should. I was mostly just good at surviving PK. :P On the other hand, Elystan dies a lot more than I ever did but the dude also kills a lot more than I ever did and he was a total newb not long before. I recall that guy who played a fort who was a newbie and started off shitty and became a killing machine by the time his character was pretty old too? Memory might not be perfect on that one. Was like Humbert or something. A LOT of people who imm were those who were also REALLY good at PVP. Some are not. Scarabaeus, from the few characters I knew he played, wasn't actually that scary. Yes, it takes time to get good... bu that is part of the actual allure to CF imo. It's not some simple game that you will easily outgrow because there is always something new to learn or improve at which is actually one of its strengths.