Re: This doesn't make any sense.

January 08, 2008 11:11AM
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death_claw
If they are overpowered with certain combos those combos should be downgraded. If they are underpowered with certain combos those combos need to be upgraded. If too many people play them, they should increase the XP penalty, limit race choices, etc.

But once you've rolled the character you shouldn't roll a die to see whether or not you randomly get screwed by your class. There are better ways to do it that don't result in people deleting and feeling like they wasted their time. Things like restricting races/increasing XP penalty, downgrading combo, etc. front load the choice so you know up front what you're getting. Giving someone a random form that might turn out to be terrible or awesome is pretty lame.

I'm not talking about "overpowered" combos.
I can't say whether or not there is an "overpowered" combo for shifters or whether shifters are "overpowered" compared to other classes.

What I am talking about is not being able to design the character to your "powergamed" desires for the "perfect" mix of forms and skills. That makes shifters less desirable to play than they otherwise would be.

Drawback.

That's a major drawback to playing a shifter for me. In fact, I cannot think of a worse drawback to playing shifters. That's a major reason why I don't play shifters. If that drawback were removed, I would definitely roll up a shifter because they have many advantages over other classes. In fact, I'd probably play shifters over all fighting classes except assassins. Increased XP? Who cares? Decreased race selection? Who cares? These aren't going to stop people from playing a customizable, non-gear-dependent class with strong inherent offense/defense/utility.

There are other classes with comparable (to me) drawbacks: for example, empowerment classes. If empowerment were removed, I would probably play exclusively shamans. You can call comparing "empowerment" to "random forms" retarded, but they're both inherent class drawbacks that, if removed, would make the class extremely desirable to play over other classes.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2008 11:20AM by balrahd.
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Shift Forms Poll txt

Gabe(VIP) January 08, 2008 04:53AM

What would happen if they allowed shifters to select their exact forms.txt

phoenix January 09, 2008 07:44PM

That's interesting. I've played three hero shifters, and had different major/minor's for all of them.

Sam January 10, 2008 05:14PM

That's like saying "if warriors can choose specs there would be nothing but axe specs." n/t

Death_Claw January 10, 2008 05:36AM

I think you all forget one important thing...

ekvilibr January 08, 2008 08:11PM

Any class is easier to rank with a permagroup

ExPaladin(VIP) January 09, 2008 02:26AM

Re: Any class is easier to rank with a permagroup

ekvilibr January 09, 2008 03:17AM

Some commets

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 05:34AM

Just quickly, since for some reason I got banned again on officials even though I couldn't post due to computer problems...

Sam January 10, 2008 05:17PM

Re: The more I think about it...

laearrist January 08, 2008 09:36AM

I do really like random forms for my shifters n/t

Woland January 08, 2008 06:22AM

Great

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 09:12AM

I'd not be so happy to be facing tiger eagle # 50 nt

daurwyn(VIP) January 11, 2008 03:05PM

With bat for third tier

daurwyn(VIP) January 11, 2008 03:05PM

The game should't have different rules depending on players' wishes, hey. n/t

Woland January 09, 2008 09:48AM

It's less biased than your shape of the poll.

DurNominator(VIP) January 08, 2008 06:11AM

And

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 09:11AM

To answer your question below, yes, I think shifters need that disadvantage.

Balrahd(VIP) January 08, 2008 09:43AM

If I roll a shifter

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 10:49AM

Yeah, I gotta agree with you there. Some forms are the super/duper exploring forms, and some are super/duper pk forms. NT

Sam January 10, 2008 05:19PM

This doesn't make any sense.

Death_Claw January 08, 2008 10:44AM

Re: This doesn't make any sense.

Balrahd(VIP) January 08, 2008 11:11AM

I would say there's a significant enough gap that it doesn't warrant being random.

Death_Claw January 08, 2008 12:24PM

Just for shit's sake, there is no anaconda anymore :) NT

Sam January 10, 2008 05:21PM

And Jaguar is probably better than it was these days.

DurNominator(VIP) January 11, 2008 12:24AM

The problem:

Balrahd(VIP) January 08, 2008 06:53PM

Re: The problem:

Death_Claw January 09, 2008 02:02PM

Yes, that's true, I have never ended up with crappy forms. n/t

Balrahd(VIP) January 09, 2008 03:31PM

I like your point of view on the subject. ~

_Magus_ January 09, 2008 03:24PM

Why oh WHY do we have to have DRAWBACKS?

Graham January 09, 2008 09:35AM

OK serious question: do you play competitive games? Like Risk?

Balrahd(VIP) January 09, 2008 03:29PM

Re: OK serious question: do you play competitive games? Like Risk?

Graham January 10, 2008 07:35AM

I think the common thread with all those "drawbacks"

Death_Claw January 10, 2008 05:31AM

Good point. ~

_Magus_ January 11, 2008 12:38AM

Re: Why oh WHY do we have to have DRAWBACKS?

Death_Claw January 09, 2008 02:14PM

Why oh why is the forum fubar? nt

DurNominator(VIP) January 09, 2008 11:53AM

How about

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 11:24AM

That makes sense.

Balrahd(VIP) January 08, 2008 06:34PM

The randomness makes it interesting

DurNominator(VIP) January 08, 2008 09:12AM

Because the pot-luck makes shifting interesting. Why would anyone pick anything but the same-old power combos?

Yhorian(VIP) January 08, 2008 05:50AM

My points againts randomness are still valid

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 09:16AM

Agreed.

Death_Claw January 08, 2008 10:18AM

How do you justify handing out inferior combos to people with 200 hours?

Death_Claw January 08, 2008 07:28AM

Why not play warrior with random spec then?

ekvilibr January 08, 2008 06:03AM

That made no sense. Shifters aren't nearly as stat/race dependant as warriors. nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 08, 2008 06:05AM

I disagree

Graham January 08, 2008 10:20AM

So take stats out of the picture.

Death_Claw January 08, 2008 10:14AM

Exactly

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 09:18AM

Form stats are independent of race and spec choises.

DurNominator(VIP) January 08, 2008 10:48AM

But

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 10:53AM

Weak form is not a combo

DurNominator(VIP) January 08, 2008 11:25AM

Re: Weak form is not a combo

Dwoggurd January 08, 2008 11:32AM

I agree. Comparing with warrior - bad idea..

ekvilibr January 08, 2008 06:09AM



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