The blame doesn't rest solely with rangers...

February 03, 2008 05:05AM
But wilderness areas do in fact have that nasty little inconvenience of not being next to an area to practice/buy food/etc. in.

I'm not saying that rangers are uber, but for levelling at least, they are better than every other option 1-35 bar none in general provided they can drag a group to their wilderness areas...

So if most rangers are self sufficient, fuck the other classes. Just ask another ranger, especially the more damagey ones if you're balanced or tanky. And if you're an animist or something equally limited in effectiveness... guess what, you just became the group's first tank. And it's ok, we have herbs for you all around.

I'm not saying this happens every time, but players who might otherwise have chosen another class that has a reason to be in every area of the MUD, choose rangers who can't even be seen by assassins, only other rangers, can't be outside of the mud's wilderness areas for any reason period, culminating in an easy ride to hero and boredom once 51 is hit.

And thus some people looking for groups might have no idea they are around. I know for a fact that I don't bother asking rangers for shit because the risk is too great that they are an Outlander and will either make for an awkward conversation or root info out of me about where I'll be. One single good attack can break a ranking group for the rest of a session if the players composing said group are retarded or lazy, even if all members survive.

Ironically for all the fear people have of rangers, they can't seal a kill. What people worry about from rangers is their mobility and frontloaded damage but not the ability to be lagged. People also very often miss the echoes of the weather worsening while the ranking spam goes on.

But anyway what I'm saying is none of these have to be 100% discouragement for asking to level. But stack up enough reasons to say 'This is not good for my health' or 'I can't see this guy visible and the asshole won't hold a conversation when I have to talk to him and the third' as well as

'Will he be an Outlander?

Will he assume on a wild basis that I'm a city-dweller even if I'm not a natural enemy? (I've been accused of this as a Villager and other classes by bored outties looking for easy pk's, it's pretty much a lesser crime of abusing Entropy cabal powers for PK instead of nonsense or collegiate level chaos theory RP)'

Even if he's not an Outlander yet, will he lie to me outright and try to kill the conjurer/ap/duergar/necromancer in my party?

If he does lie, will the duergar/AP be ready to kill the ranger back or is he going to flee and quaff and stay out of the forest for the rest of the session?

If I have an assassin with me (or I am an assassin), is he smart enough to mark the ranger before the first round starts after the initial ambush and THEN start combat? These days the lower in level you are the more likely this answer is 'no'. Playerbase reflexes are shittier than they used to be and it's racking my personal body count up a fair bit.

Will the ranger slow up the group until he gets wilderness fam because of poor gear or an equally poor tanking choice compared to the rest of the group?

Does the ranger have intimate knowledge of wilderness areas so I don't get autoattacked by a camoed or aggro mob 20 levels my senior and one rounded?

All of these questions make a ranger as much of a gamble to bother asking as they are actually good reasons to ask them to rank. Furthermore, all of these questions are good reasons to avoid them for the rest of the session even when you have flat run out of options for ranking partners.

If you add up all these 'maybes' they eventually turn to 'no' out of convenience.

And the rangers don't really care. Since they can group with one another or are more viable solo rankers than pretty much all the other classes except paladins.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2008 05:12AM by scrimbul.
Subject Author Posted

A theory on why ranking is more difficult.

Scrimbul February 02, 2008 06:29AM

Re: A theory on why ranking is more difficult.

Atavios February 03, 2008 04:26PM

Here's a list for you.

Scrimbul February 03, 2008 05:44PM

Wow. This theory is completely out of left field. Very creative.

Balrahd(VIP) February 02, 2008 09:03PM

The blame doesn't rest solely with rangers...

Scrimbul February 03, 2008 05:05AM

I agree.

Cerunnir(VIP) February 03, 2008 01:50AM

I'm an avid ranger player, but I haven't seen as many as I have been lately..

baekthestorm February 02, 2008 09:14PM

It doesn't help that people obsess over having a third.

Pro February 02, 2008 10:13AM

Maybe they ask that because they don't want to be stuck just you and them.

Sam February 03, 2008 07:04PM

Ditching me as a group mate is kinda stoopid.

Pro February 04, 2008 05:27PM

I disagree, but c'est la vie. NT

Sam February 04, 2008 07:36PM

Just lie when you answer.

ExPaladin(VIP) February 03, 2008 02:46AM

I've fallen for that one way too many times :( NT

Sam February 03, 2008 07:03PM

You don't check up with the supposed third?

Pro February 03, 2008 04:01AM

I ask that for four reasons

ExPaladin(VIP) February 03, 2008 02:44AM

Re: I ask that for four reasons

Death_Claw February 03, 2008 09:31AM

Wait, you want to avoid PK'ing people?

_Magus_ February 03, 2008 11:53AM

Even I'm above using grouping as a means of getting pk's. n/t

Death_Claw February 03, 2008 12:14PM

my reason #5: txt

Isildur(VIP) February 03, 2008 05:00AM

You'd have to be a noob

Pro February 03, 2008 04:00AM

You want to know why I really want a third in my groups?

Krilcov February 02, 2008 09:33PM

Just a reminder, your Pro privileges were cut off.

Pro February 03, 2008 04:06AM

I somewhat agree

DurNominator(VIP) February 02, 2008 09:11PM

This is the root of my frustration here.

Pro February 03, 2008 04:04AM

Does your stupidity ever end?

Krilcov February 02, 2008 10:56AM

You are simply not cut out

Pro February 02, 2008 07:09PM

Obviously reading comprehesion isn't your strong point.

Krilcov February 02, 2008 07:31PM

Don't be silly...

vortex_magus February 02, 2008 10:39AM

a level one elf is 134 years old. at some point a 134 year old being is going to realize that deurgars are inherently evil.~

Inquisitor February 02, 2008 10:50AM

My point still stands...

vortex_magus February 02, 2008 12:51PM

My point stands...

Pro February 02, 2008 07:07PM

Nobody ever said this. Read the helpfiles on groups. You get more experience with three players in your group. In case you were unaware. Which is sure seems like you were. ~

Krilcov February 02, 2008 07:35PM

Two people get more exp than zero people.

Graham February 02, 2008 11:55PM

I'm just saying I think Pro overreacts.

Krilcov February 03, 2008 06:38AM

Actually, it's more often just the oposite.

Pro February 03, 2008 11:07AM

I have to agree.

Rodriguez February 04, 2008 10:45AM

Bottom line: 2 person ranking often isn't worth it

slimfast February 04, 2008 01:39PM

And thus you contribute to your own problem.

Pro February 04, 2008 05:29PM

Not really. Not everyone's too thrilled about ranking anyway.

Krilcov February 04, 2008 05:45PM

Seriously, I'm only 21 and I know better than to give a black person a ride. n/t

xenoroyal February 02, 2008 11:32AM

Even a 12 year old could figure that one out. ~

Krilcov February 02, 2008 12:25PM

Go to your control centre and change the name setting. nt

Yhorian(VIP) February 02, 2008 10:49AM

I've not found that hard, up to a point. txt

Isildur(VIP) February 02, 2008 08:03AM

I find ranking with some ranger builds unnecessarily hard from 30-35. Especially savages. nt

Scrimbul February 02, 2008 09:12AM

You're just a damage machine. txt

Isildur(VIP) February 02, 2008 01:03PM

Gah, getting to the crystal island is a huge pain in the ass...

_Magus_ February 03, 2008 02:18PM

Re: Gah, getting to the crystal island is a huge pain in the ass...

Isildur(VIP) February 03, 2008 06:25PM

I think most rangers would be happy to rank in civilized...

morocco February 02, 2008 07:31AM

As long as your wilderness time stays 85% or higher

Derexal February 02, 2008 04:10PM

I wouldn't rank in civilized. That would be retarded.

Pro February 02, 2008 10:14AM

Re: I think most rangers would be happy to rank in civilized...

shamanman February 02, 2008 07:51AM

This is not entirely true last I tried it.

Scrimbul February 02, 2008 08:55AM

I think like an hour of ranking and you would lose fast camo. ~

ORB February 02, 2008 07:56AM

No, not really. I've ranked rangers out of the wilds for 2-3 hours in some sessions. Noticed no real difference. ~

Krilcov February 02, 2008 08:19AM

wrong and wrong. ~

morocco February 02, 2008 08:03AM

He may not be wrong.

Pro February 02, 2008 10:16AM

After playing a SHITLOAD of rangers I'm with pro/shamanman

Rogue February 02, 2008 12:34PM

What math?

morocco February 02, 2008 02:09PM

Then your ranger isn't at the highest levels of Wild-time

Pro February 02, 2008 07:15PM

Well then this kind of clinches my argument if people are going to believe it.

Scrimbul February 02, 2008 01:42PM

This isn't an argument, its bitching about rangers. I'm done n/t

morocco February 02, 2008 02:27PM

You guys are saying wilderness vs. civilized is 2:1 or 3:1. It's not true. It's 1:1 or closer to, since it's percentage of total time. 40 hours in the wilderness means 2 in civvie won't hurt you. nt

Scrimbul February 02, 2008 10:29AM

Not true.

Pro February 02, 2008 07:16PM

I've not had any trouble ranking.

Cerunnir(VIP) February 02, 2008 07:28AM

I have more problems with assassins.

Krilcov February 02, 2008 07:17AM

It might be an issue for some people...

Death_Claw February 02, 2008 06:55AM

I think you are right nt

tinymage February 02, 2008 06:35AM



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