Yes - the IMMs could remove wands from all the "old" circulated locations, making the prior OOC lists useless.

October 10, 2009 07:04PM
Which would make it an exploration experience for everyone.

But I doubt you or anyone else wants that. What I think you and others in this thread want is known, easily accessible locations for everyone. I think it is beneficial to just come out and say that because every discussion about this issue is clouded by a smokescreen thrown up by people like Torak who don't want to admit the "real" reason they dislike the ABS changes. In your post, that smokescreen is "randomness." Is it really the randomness that bothers you, or is it that your first experience didn't result in a powerhouse? Would you really be happy if experience one and two resulted in non-powerhouses? That would definitely be less random. So yeah, talking about randomness isn't going to move the ball anywhere.

There's really a logical way to look at this. And it's recently been made easier since the IMMs gave mages "Shield" as a class spell. But the process relies on agreeing upon a single question:

1. Is it NECESSARY for mages to have Barrier and Aura >50% of the time to compete 1v1 with other classes? (Mages already have ready access to Shield.)

- I think the answer is no, having fought tons of mages with Aura, Barrier, and Shield going. If there's some warrior player out there with better PK numbers than mine who says warriors have a really good chance against Aura/Barrier/Shield mages 1v1, I MIGHT be swayed from my opinion. But so far, the only people who disagree with me can't walk the walk. Period.

- I think if Aura and Barrier were easily available to every mage the balance would be stupidly out of whack at Hero level with regard to melee vs. mages, worse than it already is. I think the only way to balance that would be to give melee classes access to those protections, as well.

- Unfortunately, no one can agree on this. So we never go anywhere with discussions on changing the system.

As far as solutions, depending on the collective answer to Question #1, you could just stick non-lim AB wands on a single mob. If it is not NECESSARY to have Aura and Barrier for 1v1 fights, put the wands on a really rough mob, like a dragon. If it is NECESSARY to have Aura and Barrier for 1v1 fights, put the wands on an easier mob.
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Strangeness of ABS

hug October 09, 2009 08:18AM

In retrospect, one of the worst things about the ABS system in my opinion

istirith October 11, 2009 01:01AM

Actually. Just read a thread on the officials with similar solutions.

istirith October 11, 2009 05:06AM

Yes - the IMMs could remove wands from all the "old" circulated locations, making the prior OOC lists useless.

Balrahd(VIP) October 10, 2009 07:04PM

Re: Yes - the IMMs could remove wands from all the "old" circulated locations, making the prior OOC lists useless.

Isildur(VIP) October 11, 2009 05:16AM

I agree with all though I think aura is needed too (n/t)

sleepy October 10, 2009 10:26PM

I don't have my heart set on it happening, but I think shield + aura is necessary to go against melee classes.

Scrimbul October 10, 2009 07:53PM

Two protections + inherent ones is more or less enough to fight decent melee warrior from my experience.

dervish October 10, 2009 11:27PM

I'm fine with the abs system.

alansmithee October 10, 2009 01:44PM

Who are you and what did you do with Graatch?

Jib October 10, 2009 02:28PM

My take...

lightmage October 10, 2009 08:03AM

Like it. This idea goes along with mages getting castable shield. Or questable through archmage? dunno. (n/t)

randomthinker October 10, 2009 10:08AM

I like this idea. As long as to get 'older' doesn't mean hiding in some out of the way place spamming spells and adding hours. (n/t)

smashtro October 10, 2009 08:27AM

You don't want my level 11 invoker with 350 hours kicking your ass with ABS? ~

VoiceOfReason October 10, 2009 09:32AM

Obviously....

lightmage October 10, 2009 12:00PM

I consider the ABS change...

Mek October 09, 2009 07:51PM

It's definitely limited my char ideas... which sucks. ABS makes the game more of a chore. Lame.

randomthinker October 10, 2009 10:12AM

You mean ragers rule now, idiot?

Dwoggurd October 10, 2009 08:58AM

Dwoggurd

Mek October 10, 2009 10:56AM

Re: I consider the ABS change...

Isildur(VIP) October 10, 2009 05:45AM

Uh

Mek October 10, 2009 10:59AM

As I put down below...

torak October 10, 2009 07:41AM

I must say that

Illiet October 10, 2009 01:23PM

This is the point.

istirith October 11, 2009 12:20AM

I know the spot and I thought it was one of the not too hard ones.

Auzaar October 10, 2009 03:21PM

To be fair...

TheBard October 10, 2009 01:38PM

Except

Illiet October 11, 2009 12:13AM

Unfortunately for you its a fact not an opinion :> (n/t)

TheBard October 11, 2009 12:51AM

I vouch for him, he does solo pk, even against multiple enemies.

istirith October 11, 2009 01:18AM

Re: I vouch for him, he does solo pk, even against multiple enemies.

Illiet October 11, 2009 01:35AM

I don't mean conservative in the sense that you're a pussy.

istirith October 11, 2009 01:56AM

Yep you are right

Illiet October 11, 2009 02:07AM

but

Illiet October 11, 2009 01:01AM

Wow, thats really cocky. You know youre not the toughest lich ever right?

Tweedster October 11, 2009 09:11AM

Even if I were the toughest lich

Illiet October 11, 2009 12:48PM

Dopple was perhaps the scariest part of Zorszaul

ExPaladin(VIP) October 11, 2009 02:27PM

Yeah, they should just completely remove ABS

VoiceOfReason October 10, 2009 08:34AM

Yup~

torak October 09, 2009 09:28PM

The same

jad_hoven October 09, 2009 08:03PM

On a side note

pendragon_surtr October 09, 2009 07:40PM

Actually, it seems their repop timer is a bit longer than kill mob;leave area;come back kill mob. It's now kill mob, wait 5-10 minutes, kill mob again. NT

KennyPowers October 09, 2009 08:36PM

I think it's 24 hours, at least for ones that come from a container.~

ibuki October 09, 2009 08:38PM

24 ticks for sleek to respawn.

crafteddeception October 09, 2009 08:43PM

It was someone else's rod. You may stack as much rods as you wish (n/t)

dervish October 09, 2009 07:45PM

Re: Strangeness of ABS

Stickthatsme2 October 09, 2009 02:15PM

Wand lists are cheating.

Java October 09, 2009 04:46PM

What is with your posting lately?

tongni October 09, 2009 05:20PM

I've played two.

Java October 09, 2009 05:23PM

You know...

TheBard October 09, 2009 06:04PM

I'm basing my opinion primarily on the whines of those players.

Java October 10, 2009 06:18AM

Now if only someone would say the same to these assholes about empowerment. You, my good sir, win. nt

Scrimbul October 10, 2009 06:09AM

You know what.

istirith October 10, 2009 06:30AM

Re: You know what.

Scrimbul October 10, 2009 01:05PM

I still play, just within pretty intense time restraints.

istirith October 11, 2009 12:04AM

PS.

Java October 09, 2009 05:28PM

Check your PM please n/t

dervish October 09, 2009 02:24PM

I'm currently at 94 spots checked... Sienna found... n/t

deriveh October 09, 2009 01:14PM

I know I will get flamed for this, but...

Noone of significance October 09, 2009 11:02AM

I somewhat agree with you. Meaning I used to be like this...

Jib October 10, 2009 02:39PM

It's nothing to do with not knowing them....

torak October 09, 2009 12:59PM

They need to bring back the old hobgoblins. I miss purple potions. nt

nodak October 09, 2009 09:36AM

No... shit.. Scott? n/t

Someone Not Special, Esquire October 09, 2009 11:29PM

This matches my experience...

bored October 09, 2009 08:37AM

That last paragraph made no sense.

Java October 09, 2009 04:49PM

Re: That last paragraph made no sense.

bored October 10, 2009 10:52AM

Yup, there is

torak October 09, 2009 08:34AM

Dude, the whole playerbase NEVER knew most of the spots.

Java October 09, 2009 11:09AM

Yep, seems right.

WarEagle October 09, 2009 01:59PM

I'm sorry you have no friends. :( nt

Cosimo October 09, 2009 11:42AM

By friends, do you mean strangers that talk to me online about a text-based RPG? nt

Java October 09, 2009 12:36PM

STOP MOCKING MY LIFE!!!!!

alansmithee October 09, 2009 03:29PM



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