As Darikir against Kelarin or Salyeris
First of all, I almost never did enough damage with axes or swords in a round combat to win. The few extra hits I might get from axe was always offset by riposte damage. Beyond that, they hit fairly hard through the basic stone skin. Pincer failed too often, and when it hit it did not keep them there long enough. They both evade like hasted jack rabbits, and even enlarged with bash at 100% it failed or one rounded enough to lose me the fight. The best I could often hope for was a teammate and trip. Even then, I once had Salyeris pinned down in offset trip lag with Treyliu just to flurry at the end and she evade it. I never mastered evade, and after fighting them wished it would not work at all with skill learn no matter how much it helped me.
