Both sides could have done better.

November 20, 2017 05:42PM
Waiting until unghost to grab your things in front of an inner that just killed you seems odd. But I guess if ICly this was seen as a betrayal then oocly knowing that it would happen again could cement the event.

Still, the inner is sworn to guard their cabal’s item of power against any and all that would come for it. That explains IC why the ooc mechanic is in place. How does the inner know that you weren’t coming to take the orb (IC)? Pledge just means that you want in, it doesn’t mean that you deserve in, so Watcher can’t be sure that you and this theif aren’t in some kind of cahoots with one another. It’s a bit of a stretch to you or me, but the Watcher swore to guard the orb with his life, and can’t leave room for doubt.

I was actually reminded of the role for Sigard where I had him face a dilemma of his own brother making a poor choice in anguish to kill a duergar and drow baby. Sigard knew that the babies weren’t old enough to make an evil choice yet, so in his eyes they were innocent. As such, when his brother(both storm giants) wouldn’t listen to reason and attacked the babes anyway, Sigard was forced to strike him down. I purposely set the scenario up to show that being good doesn’t prevent someone from making a poor choice, and that it can take only one to make all of your past efforts irrelevant to the situation.

In that scenario Sigard knew his brother was a good soul, but his anguish drove him to a choice that Sigard couldn’t allow (killing innocents), so despite it being his brother and a good soul he killed the man to prevent an evil from happening.

The watcher’s choice in the log is to trust some pledge that he doesn’t know who approaches the orb. Trussed up or no, he has to choose whether that is real or a trick to lull him into complacency. The Watcher chose to err on the side of caution and hope for forgiveness in the aftermath.

That forgiveness is up to the gods and the victim, and at least one of those were not satisfied.

The shifter has a right to be angry IC, every right. But why wouldn’t he question the other members about what happened or explain to them what happened at the least. He’s not obligated to do so, but just getting angry and then waiting until the Watcher can attack you again before taking the things from your corpse seems odd.

At the same time, questions should have come from the forties as to why he was fighting the Watcher would have been good rather than to assume the worst and take his things. Certainly more could have been done on both sides to avoid the fallout, but that being the case the fallout wasn’t entirely out of place given the actions and reactions of both parties.
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Pledge vs Thief: Continued

LogFiend 434 November 19, 2017 06:08AM

Both sides could have done better.

regreath 161 November 20, 2017 05:42PM

Re: Both sides could have done better.

Kstatida 131 November 20, 2017 10:31PM

Re: Both sides could have done better.

regreath 108 November 21, 2017 07:19PM

Re: Both sides could have done better.

Kstatida 116 November 22, 2017 12:26AM

basically, except the Watcher is into holy tendrils (n/t)

regreath 69 November 22, 2017 08:26PM

Ghost or not, if you enter an inner, you become whole! (n/t)

xrus 80 November 20, 2017 07:50PM

Did not know this. Haven’t died at inner yet. (n/t)

regreath 33 November 21, 2017 07:06PM

Re: Pledge vs Thief: Continued

PacMan 155 November 20, 2017 01:33AM

That form looks kind of badass. Immolation and dodging? Keep the form and don’t delete. Play as a betrayer squire that now turns on the he light. That would be awesome. (n/t)

funnyone 92 November 19, 2017 10:43AM

Like playing a paladin with no supps

Kstatida 152 November 19, 2017 10:58AM

paladins without sups can do a few things! Shifters without spells.. (n/t)

xrus 34 November 20, 2017 01:17AM

Shifters without spells can still do plenty. Think about it! (n/t)

PacMan 38 November 20, 2017 01:22AM

Ho would this form do against a Maran? Keep biting him but does no damage with the healing? (n/t)

funnyone 59 November 19, 2017 10:46AM

I'm willing to bet if dude stays classy and RPs it out, they'd make the fire into blackfire attacks. Cuz that would be entertaining as hell. (n/t)

Frosty 59 November 19, 2017 01:03PM

Why because "black" = entertainer to you, Hitler? (n/t)

saagkri 57 November 19, 2017 06:49PM

Blackfire is easily one of the most entertaining attacks.

MiyagiYojimbo 145 November 20, 2017 10:12AM

:) So glad you stick around. There would be a lot less good humor, and fun, if you were gone. (n/t)

Frosty 64 November 20, 2017 11:55AM

:) Got a suggestion for ya

MiyagiYojimbo 54 November 26, 2017 02:01PM

No because it would no longer heal marans with mantle up. (n/t)

Frosty 54 November 19, 2017 07:02PM

Just trolling. I didn't think you were a racist. But, after your defensive reply, I'm starting to wonder. (n/t)

saagkri 69 November 19, 2017 10:31PM

Ohhhhh snap! I might be! I should go ask some of those antifa folks though, just to be sure. They seem to know everything about the subject. ;) (n/t)

Frosty 45 November 20, 2017 11:58AM

Oh yes but he is a racist

Kstatida 89 November 20, 2017 01:01AM

I have no idea, I'm just practicing my trolling. (n/t)

saagkri 51 November 20, 2017 02:05AM

You should get the skill before you can practice! (n/t)

Kstatida 69 November 20, 2017 02:39AM

Your heritage and form are irrelevant. You are not a member of the cabal. inners will light you up. n/t

Mallodor 53 November 19, 2017 08:41AM

this asked for alignment change :) (n/t)

Kstatida 36 November 19, 2017 08:16AM

I'd say it's not enough, and depends on the future acts.

xrus 114 November 20, 2017 02:58AM

Wrath is a deadly sin

Kstatida 115 November 20, 2017 03:13AM

If wrath is a deadly sin

sleepy 88 November 22, 2017 12:34PM

Because any paladin that actually uses wrath now is going to die anyway. Thanks Umiron. Glad you did that without ever having played a paladin. Dick. n/t

jalim 42 November 22, 2017 06:11PM

Well you just don't like anything anymore huh. Come on man, don't be such a... DRAG. ;) n/t

Frosty 68 November 22, 2017 06:40PM

Disagree

sleepy 145 November 19, 2017 05:46PM

Re: Disagree

MiyagiYojimbo 87 November 20, 2017 09:49AM

You misunderstand RP alignment

Kstatida 118 November 19, 2017 10:09PM

Even if you're correct in that good is selfless

sleepy 88 November 22, 2017 12:23PM

I'm not talking fully

Kstatida 73 November 22, 2017 11:23PM

Neutral/Neutral is the epitome of goodness. (n/t)

Matrik 44 November 22, 2017 11:42PM

I disagree

Kez 115 November 19, 2017 10:49PM

Re: I disagree

Kstatida 93 November 20, 2017 01:00AM

Re: I disagree

Kez 96 November 20, 2017 01:25AM

Taking a swing at the cherub would have been one thing.

MiyagiYojimbo 91 November 20, 2017 09:56AM

He should not have asked the cherub for drugs. (n/t)

saagkri 73 November 20, 2017 02:05AM

If he had literally asked the cherub for drugs, this would have been the best log ever. (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo 34 November 20, 2017 09:57AM

Dude

Kstatida 100 November 20, 2017 01:40AM

Re: Dude

Kez 103 November 20, 2017 02:08AM

Try your best and give me one

Kstatida 101 November 20, 2017 02:38AM

It's not the action by itself, its the why behind it.

Kez 78 November 20, 2017 11:07AM

Except for your reason was ooc

Kstatida 93 November 20, 2017 12:05PM

So you're agreeing with me in princple then.

Kez 86 November 20, 2017 12:44PM

Of course I don't

Kstatida 83 November 20, 2017 10:25PM

Another big ol' baby who can't take a simple death...

K-B 196 November 19, 2017 07:56AM

You idiot. Great log and IC response. (n/t)

PacMan 48 November 19, 2017 10:51AM

Word, and he's not an idiot. Just overreacting, I think. (n/t)

Frosty 50 November 19, 2017 01:06PM

Duly noted, good sir (n/t)

PacMan 49 November 19, 2017 10:23PM

I like the RP. He felt offended, which he should. Perfect RP opportunity and role I might add. His rp is better than some conservative character grabbing his ear 13 times every couple hours. (n/t)

funnyone 54 November 19, 2017 10:45AM

Agree it's RP. This is how super villains are made. (n/t)

saagkri 71 November 19, 2017 06:29PM

This

Kstatida 109 November 19, 2017 10:15PM

The butthurt is real. Nt

K-B 69 November 19, 2017 11:29AM

I second Funnyone's opinion, actually.

sleepy 110 November 19, 2017 05:11PM

The only bad RP here is conjurer looting

Kstatida 107 November 19, 2017 10:10PM

You asked for more logs, and you got them. Then you complain. Funnyone gives an actually legit good response withOUT freaking out, and you call him butthurt? Who took the jam out of your donut today?

Frosty 96 November 19, 2017 12:55PM

To be fair here

Dalbrin 159 November 19, 2017 10:13AM

I agree wholeheartedly.

Quixotic 111 November 19, 2017 10:44AM

Why are you attacking him?

Kez 162 November 19, 2017 10:08AM



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