Back at you.

November 28, 2009 02:39PM
Yes, healers cannot "pwn" without someone else. But never fear, Dwoggurd, because that "pwnage" will be reflected in the "someone else's" PK stats.

1. I think winning cabal wars is a horrible measure of pwnage.
It's easy to take a cabal item. And for every cabal except empire and outlander, it's very easy to retrieve it. So the fortress "winning" cabal wars by taking the codex and then having an imperial retrieve it with ease does not mean fortress is "pwning" empire to anyone but you, I guess. Defending your cabal item is also a poor measure of "pwnage." Plenty of cabal items are taken when defenders are offline. Further, several character may play with your playstyle - only raiding for an item when they will completely steamroll the competition. So again, defending your cabal item in terms of statistics is not a good measure of pwnage.

2. I think making enemies flee is also a poor measure of pwnage.
People flee all the time for a variety of reasons. You posted a few logs that show you "fleeing for your life" with 1800 hp left. I don't think you got pwned there.

3. I think PK stats can be a potentially good measure of pwnage.
Let's go back a second.
Some guy said: He liked seeing a COUPLE powerful fortress characters around. (a couple means 2).
You said: Why? SEVERAL powerful fortress characters would be pwnage. (several means 5-7).
I said: SEVERAL powerful characters in any cabal is pwnage.
Elhe said: No, SEVERAL powerful characters in fort is pwnage, but SEVERAL powerful characters in empire would not be able to stand against them.

First, I think it's obvious that several powerful characters in any cabal will pwn their competition. Do you disagree?

Second, I think we can measure how empire powerhouses would stand up against fortress powerhouses by looking at the tangibles: cabal powers, chances for getting the elite cabal powers, and PK stats against their competition. I think if we narrowed PK stats to something equitable, like goodie PKs/deaths (excluding goodie deaths to cabals other than fortress) vs. evil PKs/deaths, we could get a measure of which cabal members are consistently dominating the other cabal members. I think PK stats, used in a manner like this, would be potentially useful to determining how much one side pwns the other. I have a feeling the results would skew towards imperials having more goodie PKs and fewer goodie PK deaths, and fortress types having fewer evil PKs and more evil PK deaths.
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In response to the people saying Dupmasione is overpowered in the log below.

Sarien 932 November 25, 2009 08:19AM

Going to echo Jhyrbian a little bit here

_Magus_ 494 November 26, 2009 07:25AM

Why do you like it?

Dwoggurd 429 November 26, 2009 07:31AM

Fort with several strong characters versus Empire with several strong characters, empire wins every time hands down?

vortexmagus 315 November 26, 2009 09:19AM

No~

Illiet 280 November 26, 2009 09:36AM

You're just not as good as we Americans were then ;)

Sam 327 November 28, 2009 07:28AM

He said a couple. And several strong character in any cabal = pwnage. (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) 373 November 26, 2009 09:16AM

Nay

Illiet 316 November 26, 2009 09:35AM

If "healing" were the only consideration, that would be true.

Balrahd(VIP) 402 November 26, 2009 09:55AM

Re: If "healing" were the only consideration, that would be true.

Illiet 338 November 26, 2009 10:30AM

Re: If "healing" were the only consideration, that would be true.

Blackbird 357 November 28, 2009 08:38AM

Re: If "healing" were the only consideration, that would be true.

Illiet 311 November 28, 2009 11:17AM

Re: If "healing" were the only consideration, that would be true.

monstermash 300 November 27, 2009 07:10AM

then go count number of

Illiet 272 November 27, 2009 07:26AM

When was the last time you played anything other than Empire that wasn't just because you wanted to fuck around?

Sam 273 November 28, 2009 07:30AM

Given that I

Illiet 265 November 28, 2009 11:01AM

Possibly...

Sam 246 November 28, 2009 11:10AM

I bet

Illiet 232 November 28, 2009 11:14AM

Re: If "healing" were the only consideration, that would be true.

vortexmagus 307 November 27, 2009 12:23AM

I've played both

daurwyn(VIP) 366 November 26, 2009 10:05AM

What were their PK counts? Guessing 6 for your fortie and 60 for your imperial? (n/t)

Balrahd(VIP) 312 November 28, 2009 08:48AM

What does pk count have to do with question at all?

Illiet 306 November 28, 2009 11:06AM

Because we are talking about "pwnage"?

Balrahd(VIP) 314 November 28, 2009 12:06PM

Meh

Illiet 295 November 28, 2009 12:18PM

So what PK #s do you want to compare then?

Balrahd(VIP) 320 November 28, 2009 01:16PM

I don't really want to tell you...

Dwoggurd 274 November 28, 2009 01:29PM

I don't really want to tell you...

Balrahd(VIP) 357 November 28, 2009 01:35PM

Hi, ass

Dwoggurd 317 November 28, 2009 02:09PM

Back at you.

Balrahd(VIP) 334 November 28, 2009 02:39PM

This is probably will be my last post in this thread

Dwoggurd 326 November 28, 2009 03:06PM

Well, here are stats for the top 5 of empire/fort: 708/264 (fort) v. 960/126 (empire)

Balrahd(VIP) 536 November 28, 2009 03:33PM

I love how you

Illiet 291 November 28, 2009 04:16PM

Re: I love how you

Balrahd(VIP) 396 November 28, 2009 05:26PM

Compare PK per hours.

Dwoggurd 297 November 28, 2009 03:35PM

I don't know if I agree with that dismissal

vortexmagus 322 November 28, 2009 04:18PM

I don't think that pk deaths is a good measure too

Illiet 281 November 28, 2009 04:29PM

I'm fine with that. Fortress has more restrictions on what it can do. (n/t)

sleepy 254 November 26, 2009 09:38AM

what are fortress restrictions on hunting evils? (n/t)

Illiet 270 November 26, 2009 09:51AM

huh?

sleepy 921 November 27, 2009 09:10PM

Re: In response to the people saying Dupmasione is overpowered in the log below.

jhyrbian 430 November 25, 2009 04:42PM

The only paladin ability that truly SUCKS to fight is essence of temperance IMHO.

Balrahd(VIP) 402 November 26, 2009 08:48AM

Light of Heaven is a nightmare for certain classes. As is Divine Retribution, but I'm with you brother. Empire has either the best or second best powers in the game. NT

Sam 252 November 28, 2009 07:32AM

Grade A retarded response

torak 472 November 25, 2009 01:01PM

yet his point is valid

Quas 371 November 26, 2009 03:00AM

As a temperance paladin

daurwyn(VIP) 391 November 26, 2009 10:09AM

False. Grade B. At least he sealed the kill. (n/t)

sleepy 239 November 25, 2009 03:28PM



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