Re: No, it was not a no. In case you didn't realize it, you never asked me a yes or no question.

July 04, 2017 03:56PM
How about you try answering my questions with clarity so that people have an idea what's going on.

^^^ Why? What difference does it make? People asked specific questions, I gave specific answers.

You haven't released much coherent information, and most of what you're posting is either vitriol, exaggerated, contradictory, or just plain false. I know next to nothing about the characters because you've told us next to nothing about the characters. Don't blame me for that. Am I supposed to guess Ghrimmli's role based on the information you've provided here? I believe I already did that, because I've stated that I believed his sole purpose to be forging weapons for Vortalis. Sure, he didn't achieve that goal, but that is why you rolled him. So, again, how am I supposed to know everything that Ghrimmli stood for?
^^^ I mean I didnt ask for your input on roles or anything like that, I said there wasnt an In character way for me to get my specs back etc, I also didnt delete the character until I got ROTD (for convenience) and was basically told, ahah someone made a mistake, but we realised we made a mistake so we fixed it. (Mechanically thats what happened).

RP wise and this title change affects ALL DWARVEN mobs, so basically the entire dwarven world. Rather than realise the mistake was made, and that Ghrimmlis subsequent Role and RP was built on that mistake (about 40 hours here? I would have to check a shit ton of logs) being fact, because thats the only way he can see the world.... he doesnt have ooc perspective on mechanics of title changes. So by simply fixing it unannounced with no reason behind it other than an imm noticing dwarf kill numbers and non kinslayer (like no echos nothing) basically wiped out the last 40 hours of RP, oh hey guy I notice you stopped killing dwarves and shit since you became Kingslayer, but I'm going to retroactively punish you out of the blue because its not cool to kill dwarves and you should be a kinslayer. GREAT I GET IT. But I Wasnt a Kinslayer, and I could Kinship, IN game the DWARVES LOVED ME ENOUGH TO KINSHIP - ALL OF THEM - But Jeeves it was a mistake (It doesnt matter from the characters point of view that it was a fuck up, get it?)

you think I'm some kind of cheater,
This is the perfect example of why I don't trust what you're saying about the IMMs. Not once did I call you a cheater. I've accused you of power-gamey tactics, but I have not called you a cheater.
So you dont think I'm some kind of cheater? I'm not entirely sure what your purpose is in this death thread.

or that I'm railing on the imms?

If you mean 'railing' as in giving their big brown the ol' salami special, then I definitely didn't say that. If you mean 'railing' as in giving them a hard time, exaggerating what they've said/done to you, or otherwise being an unfair knucklehead towards them, please see the following posts:
>>> Did I get attacked multiple times by Ludan?
>>> Did I Get attacked and killed by the Dwarven Guildmaster in Galadon when I was on 250hps?
>>> Did I log on after many levels and no dwarf killing to randomly walk to the inn with Kinslayer title and 0 echoes or explanation?
>>> Did I rp a neutral dwarf who is an arms dealer and understands war is a thing?
>>> Did I play on regardless and simply incorporate it into my role that Ghrimmli hated the Akan/Mortorn kings for being cursed to follow the same war for 6 ages?
>>> Did I get a sweet Kingslayer title for killing all the Dwarven kings, and consider the matter closed?
>>> Did I get Kinship back as a result of said title, and add it to my RP etc?
>>> Did I log on one day, walk to a dwarven mob and find kinslayer tag reapplied (No echoes, no explanation)?
>>> Did I lose weapon specs for rping my role as a direct result of this?
>>> Did I Carry on playing the character for X amount of hours afterwards, only deleting after speaking to Immortals and them shrugging?
>>> Did I get booted from Fortress a couple of days after with Kaiden for more or less the same thing?

Yes all of these things happened,

The point is, if you can just wipe out those 40 hours, then none of the hours matter on any of the characters,

What was your role? I'm trying to help you rather than troll you, in case you're not sure.
^^^ Doing a pretty poor job of helping me, great job at trolling though.

this to me is the equivalent of a mass murderer finding his lord and saviour jesus christ in prison.

I just wanted to quote that here in case you decided to edit it out of your post.
^^^^ I'm serious, what?
Subject Author Views Posted

I'm out Ghrimmli/Kaiden/Vortalis (n/t)

wishore 395 June 29, 2017 12:20PM

Dude. One character!

Isildur(VIP) 483 June 29, 2017 12:23PM

9th circle of hell and most of silent tower (n/t)

wishore 320 June 29, 2017 12:25PM

Re: 9th circle of hell and most of silent tower

Isildur(VIP) 462 June 29, 2017 03:07PM


wishore 445 June 29, 2017 04:22PM

Re: Nah

Isildur(VIP) 411 June 29, 2017 04:41PM

Re: Nah

wishore 430 June 29, 2017 04:52PM

WTF SPEC LOSS???? (n/t)

Kstatida 283 June 30, 2017 03:29AM

Two small Imm mistakes

wishore 419 July 01, 2017 05:40AM

No RP shit other than straight up brain damage justifies spec loss

Kstatida 318 July 04, 2017 04:37AM

Any alignment change

wishore 318 July 04, 2017 08:23AM

Sup loss is justified

Kstatida 315 July 05, 2017 12:36AM

Apparently not :D (n/t)

wishore 287 July 05, 2017 05:47AM

Which is why I don't do betrayers

Kstatida 298 July 05, 2017 08:07AM

You can do both and you don't need strong English skills

zannon 315 July 05, 2017 09:57AM

Lol I played an arial once

wishore 302 July 05, 2017 10:59AM

Re: Two small Imm mistakes

wraith 348 July 04, 2017 04:13AM

Well because dwarves have kinship Chris

wishore 326 July 04, 2017 08:21AM

Everyone has kinship.

Matrik 328 July 04, 2017 10:49AM

Really??? Holyshit learn something new every day

wishore 327 July 04, 2017 11:04AM

Let me explain that for you.

Stevers 352 July 04, 2017 10:51AM

Fuck that was hilarious (n/t)

Kstatida 277 July 05, 2017 12:37AM

I'm going to boink your mom. (n/t)

Matrik 256 July 04, 2017 10:51AM

Please Doug Dimma-don't do that. n/t

Stevers 280 July 04, 2017 10:53AM

Re: Well because dwarves have kinship Chris

wraith 320 July 04, 2017 09:42AM

You ooc outted yourself like within 5 mins of meeting me :D

wishore 307 July 04, 2017 10:00AM

Re: You ooc outted yourself like within 5 mins of meeting me :D

wraith 317 July 04, 2017 10:16AM

Yeah maybe (n/t)

wishore 275 July 04, 2017 10:19AM

Consequences aren't fair! (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo 276 July 01, 2017 08:43AM

Asswipe ^

Lokith 342 July 01, 2017 11:29AM

Consequences are 100% ok

wishore 367 July 01, 2017 09:00AM

Bullshit. You're not "down with that as a player man ofc" -- if you were, you wouldn't have rage deleted 3 different characters. You talk a lot about things IC, yet your in game decisions all come from OOC bum bruising.

Stevers 295 July 04, 2017 09:07AM


wishore 324 July 04, 2017 10:09AM

...two of your characters were rolled for the purpose of aiding your first character?

Stevers 327 July 04, 2017 10:15AM


wishore 310 July 04, 2017 10:17AM

Depends on how the IMMs feel about power-gamey stuff.

Stevers 320 July 04, 2017 10:48AM

Re: Depends on how the IMMs feel about power-gamey stuff.

wishore 327 July 04, 2017 11:22AM

Rolling chars like this feels like grounds for a perma ban

Quas 309 July 05, 2017 11:49AM


wishore 303 July 05, 2017 11:55AM

Dude you're fine

Kstatida 291 July 06, 2017 01:41AM

What an argument: It's fine because I can do it. n/t

Stevers 268 July 06, 2017 10:59AM

You find it strange that pragmatic reasoning comes from a Russian and not an American?

Kstatida 281 July 07, 2017 02:29AM

Pragmatic? "It's fine; I do it all the time" is hardly pragmatic, you know? Those are top-tier powergame actions despite how frequently you do them. n/t

Stevers 251 July 07, 2017 08:32AM

Powergaming is pragmatic, you know

Kstatida 287 July 07, 2017 10:58AM

On a bit more serious note though, refer to what "pragmatism" as philosophy means

Kstatida 261 July 07, 2017 11:00AM

The Irony Being

wishore 300 July 07, 2017 11:13AM


MiyagiYojimbo 300 July 06, 2017 04:54AM

And even more

Kstatida 288 July 06, 2017 05:36AM

Diabolical :D

wishore 279 July 06, 2017 05:58AM

It all makes sense now. Everything about you makes sense now.

Stevers 279 July 06, 2017 11:00AM

Guilty of not doing that

Kstatida 290 July 06, 2017 07:58AM

If I was to play only one character - within 2 chars everyone would know which is mine

wishore 284 July 06, 2017 04:58AM

Instead of outing one character at a time, you choose to out three characters at a time. How is that not breaking the same rule?

Stevers 293 July 06, 2017 11:07AM


wishore 263 July 06, 2017 11:10AM

The point is that, one character or three characters, your characters will always out themselves. You can't help it; you play the same way each time. If you want some advice from me, master of not outing myself, it would be

Stevers 268 July 06, 2017 11:17AM


wishore 271 July 06, 2017 11:33AM

I've interacted with some your characters in the past, and let me tell you something buddy

Stevers 297 July 07, 2017 08:35AM

I'd like to apply for the plants thing please where do I send resume? n-t

jalim 273 July 07, 2017 11:24AM

Re: I'd like to apply for the plants thing please where do I send resume? n-t

MiyagiYojimbo 299 July 08, 2017 12:42AM

I ran a horticultural program for several years. =(. n/t

jalim 263 July 08, 2017 03:29AM

Cool! I didn't know that!

MiyagiYojimbo 292 July 08, 2017 04:20AM

Re: I've interacted with some your characters in the past, and let me tell you something buddy

wishore 268 July 07, 2017 09:12AM

Multi charring (n/t)

Quas 265 July 05, 2017 12:10PM

Re: Multi charring

wishore 328 July 05, 2017 12:15PM

Are you CW? n/t

jalim 284 July 05, 2017 12:28PM


wishore 298 July 05, 2017 12:33PM

Re: ????

MiyagiYojimbo 290 July 05, 2017 11:56PM

Yeah, the problem is your timeline of events is out of sync with the reality.

wishore 295 July 06, 2017 04:12AM

I was about to post that exact same subject in response to one of your posts. Crazy! n/t

Stevers 256 July 06, 2017 11:13AM

Nah the two of you + Jalim are being super aggressive

wishore 285 July 06, 2017 11:58AM

I stopped thinking about it when I noticed you were Kov. Carry on sir. n/t

jalim 285 July 06, 2017 12:08PM

Yeah not me (n/t)

wishore 271 July 06, 2017 12:09PM

Oh, sorry, I was assigning meaning to your words

MiyagiYojimbo 280 July 06, 2017 04:47AM


wishore 269 July 06, 2017 04:50AM

You rolled a character with the intent to cheat for yourself, but you ended up being too incompetent to even do that correctly. It's borderline cheating because you tried; it's not "okay" just because you sucked at it. n/t

Stevers 273 July 06, 2017 11:12AM


wishore 278 July 06, 2017 11:25AM

It's pretty far past borderline. n/t

jalim 268 July 06, 2017 02:33AM

Farming Cabal XP with a main in Empire and an alt in Fortress doing back and forth retrievals probably. I'm sure it's justifiable though, you know, that awesome RP you do between your three heroes between. n/t

jalim 270 July 05, 2017 12:00PM

What would be wrong with that? (n/t)

wishore 268 July 05, 2017 12:09PM

How dare you debait?!

MiyagiYojimbo 314 July 01, 2017 09:58PM

Logs or you're lying! FULL EXPERIENCE. n/t

jalim 299 June 29, 2017 01:24PM

Logs by themselves so much work :D Annotated maps for all area explore :D (n/t)

wishore 309 June 29, 2017 01:34PM

Logs are so much work? All you have to do is copy paste. Or do you mean doctoring logs is so much work?

Stevers 293 July 04, 2017 09:03AM

Oh I assumed this was a joke? Regarding Hell logs ? (n/t)

wishore 274 July 04, 2017 10:11AM

What you should have assumed is that I'm an idiot

Stevers 298 July 04, 2017 10:16AM

Oh no the simple line that jaded me was

wishore 292 July 04, 2017 10:22AM

Also, 80 hours to fix the mistake? Really? You're not fudging that number AT ALL? n/t

Stevers 286 July 04, 2017 10:46AM

I dunno the exact timings man the char was 170 hours old (n/t)

wishore 268 July 04, 2017 11:14AM

You keep using exact amount of hours as if you did know, so I think you can see why I am confused about that. n/t

Stevers 273 July 04, 2017 11:19AM

So you were jaded because they fixed their mistake? I understand that you had to go from RPing one angle to RPing essentially the opposite.

Stevers 282 July 04, 2017 10:44AM

Re: So you were jaded because they fixed their mistake? I understand that you had to go from RPing one angle to RPing essentially the opposite.

wishore 285 July 04, 2017 11:03AM

I don't understand. Was Ghrimmli supposed to be a kinslayer or not?

Stevers 267 July 04, 2017 11:17AM

So thats a no then?

wishore 308 July 04, 2017 11:33AM

No, it was not a no. In case you didn't realize it, you never asked me a yes or no question.

Stevers 282 July 04, 2017 02:42PM

Re: No, it was not a no. In case you didn't realize it, you never asked me a yes or no question.

wishore 308 July 04, 2017 03:56PM

Oh it is 40 hours now? I thought it was 80 hours? Seems like that time has been cut in half.

Stevers 285 July 04, 2017 09:16PM

Yeah Stevers

wishore 288 July 05, 2017 05:12AM

Instead of blurting out "WRONG!" you could instead tell me what is right. n/t

Stevers 279 July 05, 2017 09:19AM

I spelt it out for you with steps and shit

wishore 291 July 05, 2017 11:05AM

Let me show you what a contradiction looks like.

Stevers 298 July 05, 2017 12:51PM

No you are still wrong

wishore 303 July 05, 2017 01:58PM

Re: No you are still wrong

Stevers 284 July 05, 2017 02:16PM


MiyagiYojimbo 283 July 06, 2017 12:34AM

This is more or less accurate except

wishore 288 July 06, 2017 04:29AM

After having said it was 80 hours since killing dwarves, then having said it was 40 hours since killing dwarves,you are back to saying it was 100 hours since killing dwarves. Which one is it, wishore? n/t

Stevers 270 July 06, 2017 10:55AM


wishore 271 July 06, 2017 11:12AM

Show me proof of both claims or stop pretending to not be lying. n/t

Stevers 267 July 06, 2017 11:19AM

Re: Show me proof of both claims or stop pretending to not be lying. n/t

wishore 284 July 06, 2017 11:54AM

Nice, 100 hours pre-punishment confirmed. I see roughly 40 hours until deletion, but I don't see where kinship was re-applied?

Stevers 287 July 06, 2017 03:04PM

Kinship was reapplied with the title change at around 120? hours

wishore 277 July 06, 2017 03:26PM

Are you two registered at Crate and Barrel? (n/t)

Frosty 275 July 05, 2017 02:31PM

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