December 15, 2016 01:04AM
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TLDR: Everyone tries to interfere in other countries' political processes. It's really normal in geopolitics to defend your country's interests by whatever means available.
Examples:
(1) If Trump is more likely to stop parking US-allied/US forces on Russia's doorstep, then sure Russia will prefer Trump. They might write articles or leave comments on news sites in support of Trump to help sway opinion. But I don't think it's likely that they've tampered directly with voting machines (very risky to attempt vs the world's hegemon in technology and military might).
(2) If Saudi Arabia's present leadership is likely to cooperate with global energy companies and buy American weaponry, then sure the US will support them with weapons, technology and machinery.
(3) If a Chinese opposition party is likely to cause a revolution that will halt economic development for a decade or two and thus avert a threat to US hegemony, then sure the US will support them with money and possibly promises of rescue/extraction to the USA should things fail.
I think the main positive opinion of Trump from the USA's geopolitical rivals (Russia, China etc) is that they believe he's a nationalist as opposed to a globalist ideologue. You can negotiate with someone who just wants to make himself / his country rich. You can't negotiate with someone who is hell-bent on making you "democratic" (whatever that means: democracy is never purely implemented in practice).
I think most Americans can't see how abnormal the current geopolitical status is: you have a world superpower capable of militarily dominating the entire rest of the world on its own. It has the most perfectly secured territorial integrity that will go unchallenged for decades if not centuries to come. Its own security ensured, it sends out carrier groups to the rest of the world like a self-appointed policeman. In exchange it gets some favourable dealings re: weaponry sales, treaties, trade agreements, natural resource extraction, etc. It's like a "superpower benefit" accruing from regions under your influence. This degree of (soft) domination by a single nation-state is completely unprecedented in history.
Russia's gained some ground post-Putin (helped by the commodities boom), China's gained ground post-Deng Xiaoping: so they want to get some of the superpower benefit too: as far as they're concerned the US is hogging the entire world as its sphere of influence!
Now as far as ordinary people are concerned we just want nobody to go to war. Their spheres of influence can contract/expand according to their power, but just don't start another world war :-P
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vortexmagus |
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vortexmagus |
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jalim |
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vortexmagus |
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NbM(VIP) |
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vortexmagus |
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