Yeah, I get that whole gaming the system thing, I'm just interested in how slapping a hefty tariff will sit within the whole framework.

Jib

December 14, 2016 08:01AM

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My guess is the corporations and media will throw a bigger stink than the WTO ever will.

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There's something more interesting to discuss actually	Kstatida	December 12, 2016 01:07PM
China doesn't need the US nearly as much as the US needs China	Flipside Oreo	December 16, 2016 07:25AM
California has one of the best deposits of rare earth elements in the world	PaulO	December 16, 2016 10:09AM
Ok i googled rare earth metals by country	Flipside Oreo	December 16, 2016 06:34PM
These numbers look a bit off	PaulO	December 16, 2016 07:04PM
Heh, and US Geological survey says 1.8MT	Flipside Oreo	December 16, 2016 08:03PM
I was curious why they were different. You're looking at commodities stats	PaulO	December 17, 2016 03:44AM
I think they're symbiotic really. The CCP (communist party)'s legitimacy depends on delivering economic growth	starbright	December 16, 2016 09:30AM
Re: I think they're symbiotic really. The CCP (communist party)'s legitimacy depends on delivering economic growth	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 10:37AM
Re: China doesn't need the US nearly as much as the US needs China	TheShamanman	December 16, 2016 08:29AM
Oh, you actually live in China. You can settle a minor point of dispute. How would you measure sentiment towards Trump there?	vortexmagus	December 16, 2016 03:32PM
Re: What's your take?	MiyagiYojimbo	December 16, 2016 03:39PM
I don't think so. Most of what's been spewed at me is propaganda with no exterior sourcing. It's difficult to debate people preaching a religion, but its not hard to ignore them.	vortexmagus	December 17, 2016 11:01AM
Man, you are really new to this whole conspiracy thing.	MiyagiYojimbo	December 17, 2016 02:01PM
You don't see the hypocrisy? You've picked a side, too, and its the side with Breitbart and Trump on it.	vortexmagus	December 17, 2016 04:57PM
Fool, you're nowhere near ready to comprehend me.	MiyagiYojimbo	December 17, 2016 06:58PM
This is partly it for me.	PaulO	December 17, 2016 03:27PM
My personal problem is that although you demand mountains of evidence from these organizations...	vortexmagus	December 17, 2016 04:33PM
You're projecting, friend.	PaulO	December 17, 2016 08:35PM
Boo... boo hoo...	MiyagiYojimbo	December 17, 2016 07:02PM
+1 (n/t)	NbM(VIP)	December 17, 2016 03:57PM
Are you referencing the Guccifer information or what wiki leaks posted?	NbM(VIP)	December 17, 2016 12:20PM
Okay, let's go over this one issue in particular, since I doubt we'll agree on the rest.	vortexmagus	December 17, 2016 04:14PM
Re: Okay, let's go over this one issue in particular, since I doubt we'll agree on the rest.	NbM(VIP)	December 17, 2016 04:35PM
As per usual, I offer you a lot of analysis (which you may not agree with), and rather than trying to discuss, you just dismiss.	vortexmagus	December 17, 2016 04:45PM
May be, just may be, people "dismiss your analysis" because it's not analysis? (n/t)	Kstatida	December 17, 2016 09:47PM
Dude, once again	Kstatida	December 17, 2016 11:29AM
Pretty much	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 08:46AM
This.	Jib	December 16, 2016 09:31AM
just as i wrote that	Flipside Oreo	December 16, 2016 07:56AM
Also just as you wrote that, FBI came out to say they agree with CIA and DI that Russia intervened in election	vortexmagus	December 16, 2016 03:29PM
I don't think Trump will damage trading relations with China	starbright	December 15, 2016 01:16AM
You're right that the largest barrier in screwing with China is our own corporations.	Jib	December 15, 2016 08:29AM
The challenge with China is diplomatic	Quas	December 15, 2016 05:07AM
Disagree re: saving face. Beijing wants to defend Chinese interests, and only that	starbright	December 15, 2016 06:54AM
You guys place too much emphasis on "saving face"	Kstatida	December 15, 2016 06:23AM
that's not true	Quas	December 15, 2016 07:14AM
We'll have to agree to disagree	Kstatida	December 15, 2016 07:43AM
So you'd rather we have Hillary to just hand them whatever they want on a silver platter?	Rhyaldrin	December 15, 2016 05:33AM
FWIW, the Russians and Chinese both dislike Hillary because she's done hawkish things in foreign policy	starbright	December 15, 2016 06:58AM
I think you're miscategorizing it, though.	vortexmagus	December 15, 2016 11:03AM
I think Trump made a mis-calculation there in trying to use Taiwan as a threat/bargaining chip	starbright	December 16, 2016 04:27AM
I kind of agree.	PaulO	December 16, 2016 05:27AM
His team is not that dumb	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 05:00AM
Re: I think you're miscategorizing it, though.	PaulO	December 15, 2016 04:32PM
Re: I think you're miscategorizing it, though.	vortexmagus	December 15, 2016 04:49PM
Re: I think you're miscategorizing it, though.	PaulO	December 15, 2016 06:17PM
Re: I think you're miscategorizing it, though.	vortexmagus	December 15, 2016 09:59PM
I think we have some fundamental disagreement over how geopolitical decisions are made	starbright	December 16, 2016 04:36AM
True, but assuming rational geopolitical decisions has always been flawed to me because few leaders are rational	vortexmagus	December 16, 2016 06:45AM
Yes I don't disagree that leaders screw up often. But not for reasons of compassion/charity	starbright	December 16, 2016 08:48AM
Well world economy is already fucked with noone to feed upon atm	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 08:51AM
Why on earth do you think China is going to share? (n/t)	PaulO	December 16, 2016 03:37AM
What makes you think China has a choice? There's skyrocketing demand for American media, brand name goods, and cutting edge electronics.	vortexmagus	December 16, 2016 07:09AM
Very few Americans benefit from the Chinese buying American brands made in China.	PaulO	December 16, 2016 09:40AM
Yeah the average Chinese has a really positive impression of USA and US goods	starbright	December 16, 2016 08:54AM
You miss the bit where all those electronics, clothes and stuff consumed are not American (n/t)	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 02:11AM
While this is true	Kstatida	December 15, 2016 07:41AM
I do think you are correct	Kstatida	December 15, 2016 02:29AM
Agreed. Also Trump's just met all the Silicon Valley guys (notably excluding Twitter) and it apparently was very friendly	starbright	December 15, 2016 03:07AM
If he manages to cut off China, the US stands to lose an enormous amount of GDP. China's one of its biggest trade partners and one of the largest emerging markets by far.	vortexmagus	December 14, 2016 03:28PM
Who...gives..a....fuck...?	Death_Claw	December 23, 2016 04:18AM
Yea well the stock market is going to crash when Trump gets in.	Rhyaldrin	December 23, 2016 04:24AM
I'm 'OK' with that. I don't invest in the stock market, it's almost a ponzi scheme at this point. n/t	Death_Claw	December 23, 2016 04:44AM
Invest in BTC it triggers cucks. (n/t)	Rhyaldrin	December 23, 2016 04:45AM
Re: If he manages to cut off China, the US stands to lose an enormous amount of GDP. China's one of its biggest trade partners and one of the largest emerging markets by far.	Kstatida	December 15, 2016 12:47AM
This was the phenomenon I was referring to regarding oil prices	vortexmagus	December 15, 2016 11:19AM
Re: This was the phenomenon I was referring to regarding oil prices	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 01:32AM
This is an interesting interpretation of the phenomenon	vortexmagus	December 16, 2016 07:02AM
I'll take time and comment this, mostly from the factchecking position	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 08:03AM
Thank you for clarifying several points I wasn't sure about.	vortexmagus	December 16, 2016 02:41PM
Re: Thank you for clarifying several points I wasn't sure about.	Kstatida	December 16, 2016 11:21PM
I hope so. Fuck China. (n/t)	Rhyaldrin	December 13, 2016 11:25PM
2001 is the year you're looking for.	PaulO	December 12, 2016 06:10PM
Realistically, I'm curious how we get around WTO restrictions.	Jib	December 13, 2016 03:09PM
Everyone does it all the time	Kstatida	December 13, 2016 09:52PM
Yeah, I get that whole gaming the system thing, I'm just interested in how slapping a hefty tariff will sit within the whole framework.	Jib	December 14, 2016 08:01AM

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