Influencing and enabling

January 23, 2017 05:51PM
to a degree. Manipulation implies deception, that's not the case here.
I used my original post to clarify this point because there exists the view
that Assange is nothing but a pawn of the big bad russian masterminds.

As I've described, this is not the case. Assange has his own agenda,
one that has been public for many years. He was part of the group
of people that, close to 3 decades ago, realized what cyberwar
was and what it implied. Others from the same "hacker underground"
went to work for the NSA in early 2000 which is when the
"total information awareness" program began to take off
(part of it funded by DARPA).

The russians are closer to Assange than the NSA, because they
too are willing to directly engage with the feedback loops that shape
society these days without being hampered by 4-year election cycles or
the democratic process. Which is really the reason they're so much better
at that cyber thing than the americans, even though they possess
inferior technology. They've shifted the entire domain and are playing
on a higher level that the NSA is not (yet) allowed to operate in.



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Subject Author Posted

For vortexmagus: Trump refuses to release tax returns

starbright January 22, 2017 10:57PM

Yup. Old news.

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 10:49AM

Yeah I'm with you on Trump

starbright January 24, 2017 12:32AM

Actually this makes me change my mind a bit about Trump

starbright January 26, 2017 12:33AM

He's one of the most narcissistic politicians ever, which is an incredible feat.

PaulO January 26, 2017 03:30AM

Re: He's one of the most narcissistic politicians ever

Kstatida January 26, 2017 04:40AM

Obama was definitely narcissistic too

PaulO January 26, 2017 04:54AM

Very unlikely :)

Kstatida January 26, 2017 07:16AM

Re: The dude's lifetime business is selling his name and image

Murphy January 29, 2017 06:40PM

Obama's a sign-spinner now?

MiyagiYojimbo January 30, 2017 01:21AM

Re: Very unlikely :)

PaulO January 26, 2017 09:29AM

Only if they're the same issues

Kstatida January 26, 2017 11:18AM

uhhh

PaulO January 26, 2017 02:23PM

Gift handouts then?

Kstatida January 26, 2017 09:06PM

There's one thing they always teach you in every public political trainings

Kstatida January 26, 2017 12:45AM

Re: Italy

PaulO January 25, 2017 04:52AM

Re:Italy

Kstatida January 25, 2017 06:50AM

This is totally unfair.

MiyagiYojimbo January 24, 2017 02:18PM

I think you mean Vladislav Surkov.

zoskia January 23, 2017 01:19PM

I'm not familiar with Surkov's work.

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 01:36PM

This post makes pandas sad. (n/t)

Murphy January 24, 2017 04:07AM

Why, Murphy?

Kstatida January 24, 2017 04:17AM

Pandas. They're gonna be sad whoever wins in the racist wars. (n/t)

Murphy January 24, 2017 04:20AM

Fuck pandas

Kstatida January 24, 2017 04:25AM

dontexplainthejokedontexplainthejokedontexpl ain... (n/t)

Murphy January 24, 2017 04:27AM

THIS post makes me a happy panda. ;) We're cheering for you Murphy! (n/t)

Frosty January 24, 2017 07:14AM

Unrelated to Vladislav Surkov, but Gladihav Suckedkok also has some great pieces n/t

Stevers January 23, 2017 06:43PM

Wow Dugin is a shitlord. Afro-American'st can't be "racist".

Rhyaldrin January 23, 2017 03:10PM

"Racist" has meanings contested by some from the left and some from the right

starbright January 24, 2017 12:02AM

Racism takes a particularly interesting shape in the US

vortexmagus January 24, 2017 04:48AM

Your perspective is what takes an interesting shape. Is that really how you view the world? Let me help.

Stevers January 24, 2017 02:16PM

I was going to post this below, but I feel it would be better read here.

Nurok January 24, 2017 06:40AM

Okay, lets start out with the fact that I totally agree with you

vortexmagus January 24, 2017 03:32PM

Likewise most minorities would gladly choose to be white

starbright January 25, 2017 10:49PM

Go Russia

Kstatida January 25, 2017 11:47PM

Yeah I did exactly that: not trying to exaggerate the situation, but it was unusual

starbright January 26, 2017 12:10AM

Re: Yeah I did exactly that: not trying to exaggerate the situation, but it was unusual

Kstatida January 26, 2017 12:37AM

Re: Yeah I did exactly that: not trying to exaggerate the situation, but it was unusual

starbright January 26, 2017 12:48AM

See what you did there?

Kstatida January 26, 2017 02:14AM

Agreed

starbright January 26, 2017 02:48AM

Sorry bro but I stopped reading when you said whiteness. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin January 25, 2017 11:07PM

Pretty sure it's not grammar that made you stop :-) (n/t)

starbright January 25, 2017 11:12PM

Re: I was going to post this below, but I feel it would be better read here.

Stevers January 24, 2017 02:46PM

Alright Stevers.

Nurok January 24, 2017 04:33PM

I've always liked me, too.

Stevers January 24, 2017 05:41PM

That's bad and HR should never have had double standards just because of "diversity"

starbright January 24, 2017 09:08AM

I 100% agree with you - and I have another example.

Nurok January 24, 2017 09:34AM

Oh man you can't imagine

Kstatida January 24, 2017 08:01AM

+1

NbM(VIP) January 24, 2017 07:26AM

True. I also think people aren't objective enough on political issues (such as racism)

starbright January 24, 2017 05:36AM

That's funny

Kstatida January 24, 2017 02:14AM

Yeah #2 is really the argument that "you can't be racist against whites" (in USA) (n/t)

starbright January 24, 2017 02:46AM

Noice (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 23, 2017 03:34PM

Just saying it's not Russia/Dugin/whoever influencing/puppeteering Assange

zoskia January 23, 2017 01:46PM

You think Assange is manipulating Russia/Dugin/Whatever for his own purposes?

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 05:09PM

Influencing and enabling

zoskia January 23, 2017 05:51PM

pretty much this

Quas January 23, 2017 06:14PM

You don't start such an organization unless you have an uncomfortable relationship with power

Quas January 23, 2017 05:37PM

I'll wait for MSNBC to tell me what to think about this then get back with you. n/t

jalim January 23, 2017 05:18PM

That doesn't fit vortexmagus's binary worldview, so it doesn't compute. (n/t)

PaulO January 23, 2017 02:15PM

If I called you a faggot cuck, the way Nurok and Rhyaldrin and NbM do to me, does that make my points more valid?

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 05:21PM

Thank you for making my point.

PaulO January 23, 2017 05:34PM

Exactly this.

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 05:43PM

Yep. Binary. Black and white. Red and blue. Republican and Democrat.

PaulO January 23, 2017 06:18PM

Ok

vortexmagus January 24, 2017 05:24AM

We're like opposite twins!

MiyagiYojimbo January 24, 2017 05:22PM

Oh wait, I switched to Trump, I forgot. Here you go.

MiyagiYojimbo January 24, 2017 05:31PM

Re: Ok

PaulO January 24, 2017 07:19AM

Haha, I remember doing that test, it said I am a Centrist Moderate

Murphy January 24, 2017 05:44AM

I didn't know that people were questioning that Putin was pro trump

Quas January 23, 2017 06:09PM

And my calling him a cuck or a fag. Hasn't happened once but some people only hear/read what they want to. (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 23, 2017 05:38PM

You're right, I'll correct myself - you haven't once called me a cuck or a fag, just a few personal attacks here and there that did not contain the words cuck or fag at all, happy?

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 05:45PM

I'll correct you, but it's more for the audience, not yourself

Kstatida January 23, 2017 10:58PM

I have never once held a meaningful discussion with Nurok. I don't even know who he is, hence my confusion when he started calling me a fag. (n/t)

vortexmagus January 24, 2017 05:29AM

Our understanding of what constitutes a meaningful discussion clearly does not match

Kstatida January 24, 2017 09:18PM

Bingo (n/t)

Matrik January 24, 2017 04:18AM

But the unapplicable semantics have been the context of all your arguments lately (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 23, 2017 06:07PM

NbM stands for Never Been Good With Words Or Spelling n/t

Stevers January 23, 2017 07:01PM

Yeah eyah inapp, stupid phone keyboard (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 23, 2017 07:05PM

Stevers stands for the missing M. mt

Flipside Oreo January 24, 2017 04:32AM

There were only 6 people at Trumps inauguration rally and Hillary will be pres soon. n/t

jalim January 23, 2017 02:18PM

Bernie can still win, and here's how (n/t)

MiyagiYojimbo January 24, 2017 04:59PM

That's - President Trump refuses to release tax returns (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 23, 2017 05:02AM

#notmypresident (n/t)

Kstatida January 23, 2017 05:03AM

Fake News - Vortexfagus knows that wikileaks/russians are not to be trusted. (n/t)

Nurok January 23, 2017 04:57AM

Who are you? (n/t)

vortexmagus January 23, 2017 10:59AM

He's Nurok. Who are you?

Rhyaldrin January 23, 2017 03:13PM



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