Thank you.

August 31, 2017 12:29PM
There is a fire that burns forever. What/who does fire most often represent?

- the burning coals that pass over Abraham's covenantal sacrifice represents God
- the fire burning up Sodom represents God
- the burning bush speaking to Moses represents God
- the pillar of fire leading Israel across the wilderness represents God
- the fire falling from heaven burning up Elijah's sacrifice represents God
- the holy spirit falling on the disciples at Pentecost like tongues of fire represents God
- the verses you quote that reference fire, in them the fire represents God

If those are all too subtle for you:

Hebrews 12:28-29
"Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire."

But nowhere is it suggested that the eternal fire requires bodies as fuel to burn, in case you're suggesting that. God is the consuming fire. It is He who will burn up and permanently destroy those who reject him. They're not going to burn forever. He does burn forever. In Revelation, Satan and death are thrown into the fire, and they are gone forever. Satan doesn't control the fire. It will eventually consume and destroy him.

Lastly, the options are eternal death or eternal life. If people were burning forever, wouldn't they have eternal life too? They would be suffering, but still alive. That makes no sense. The Bible makes very clear "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him." Saved from what? Death. Specifically, death that comes from meeting the eternal fire known as God. They will be burned up like refuse and gone forever.

The story of the Bible is about the offer of life, in the place of death. The wages of sin are death, not eternal suffering. None of the verses you mention talk about eternal suffering.

- Paul
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DeAndre Harris, the black guy who got beat up in Charlottesville

PaulO August 30, 2017 07:12AM

If you're willing to be labeled as a christian, why would you fear being labeled as a racist?

Stevers August 30, 2017 04:15PM

Equating slavery in the Bible to racism today?

PaulO August 31, 2017 09:12AM

If you can't make sense of a simple minded creature like me, what are you doing trying to make sense of life with a big ol complicated book?

Stevers August 31, 2017 11:11AM

That's not racism

Kstatida August 31, 2017 12:17AM

I was implying that racism isn't worse than christianity, so it's funny that he is so open to being labeled as one but not the other. In fact, Christianity is probably the ultimate form of discrimination

Stevers August 31, 2017 06:21AM

That's exactly how I talk and act. You nailed it. /sarcasm (n/t)

PaulO August 31, 2017 09:22AM

The only thing getting nailed here

Stevers August 31, 2017 10:54AM

Oh silly you

Kstatida August 31, 2017 11:50AM

My mistake. Let's continue this conversation on the Faith board. n/t

Stevers August 31, 2017 12:01PM

That's nearly all religions, you twit. To assume all christians take it that litteral is ignorant. don't be ignorant.

Frosty August 31, 2017 06:44AM

Since when did christians stop talking heaven and hell literally?

Stevers August 31, 2017 08:09AM

I'm not going to waste my time counting them for you. I'd rather waste my time linking awesome hilarious videos that you hipsters won't click on because it's not in old english font.

Frosty August 31, 2017 08:58AM

Nice response. You really backed up your unfounded claims by attacking an unrelated comment and dismissing responsibility by pretending like you don't care that I don't watch your videos. n/t

Stevers August 31, 2017 11:36AM

Dante is not the Bible.

PaulO August 31, 2017 08:58AM

Dante isn't, but Matthew, Malachi, Jude, and Mark have something to say about this.

Stevers August 31, 2017 11:33AM

Thank you.

PaulO August 31, 2017 12:29PM

And herein lies one of my biggest issues with the bible and its interpretations.

Stevers August 31, 2017 12:54PM

Even if God is not the fire, and there is to be a literal fire, it still will burn up and destroy, according to the Bible (n/t)

PaulO September 06, 2017 03:33AM

Damn Paul. You're a bad ass. (n/t)

Matrik August 31, 2017 12:35PM

Ass in the bible means donkey. Your beast of burden.

Flipside Oreo September 03, 2017 10:00AM

Paul is not a bad ass.

Stevers August 31, 2017 12:40PM

Someone sounds jelly. (n/t)

Matrik August 31, 2017 12:42PM

Thing is, christianity doesn't mind it

Kstatida August 31, 2017 06:39AM

Transcript of Frank Somerville's post with KTVU

istirith August 30, 2017 12:37PM

if this video finds its way onto YouTube, let me know (n/t)

PaulO August 30, 2017 11:10AM

There are several videos...

jalim August 30, 2017 08:11AM

Yep.

MiyagiYojimbo August 31, 2017 04:31AM

Re: There are several videos...

demos August 30, 2017 08:21AM



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