Re: I agree with him on the no separation between Mosque and state part. nt

January 02, 2008 11:58AM
(Let me just state that by saying I agree with him on the no separation deal, I disagreed with the rest)

There are several countries that has been a majority muslims but a secular government, for example Irak under Saddam or perhaps a better example is Turkey. Few countries have implemented "all out" Sharia laws and most that has them also has secular courts.

(Fair enough, I agree.)

So there can be a division between religion and state in muslim countries.

(Okay, to say there is no separation is silly, but there is very little. It countries like Saudi, Bahrain and so on religion is used to control the people. In short - you control the religious leaders and keep them on your side, you control the people. Obviously Iraq during Saddam was different. Turkey has a fair spattering of various different religions, from what I understand in Turkey, the military controls the state pretty much - not too knowledgeable on it though. Just what some Turkish friend's say. Islamic governments do have a tendency to take over and muscle out other religious groups if given a chance though like in Malaysia, or at least look out for its own.)

Also you must realise that christianity has not some inherent division in itself but has been forced out of it by blood of many men.

(Yes, similarly Democracy and the 'free societies' we live in in the West have also been built on years of fighting for those rights and conflict. Which is why the West is setting up Governments in Afgahnistan and Iraq may just end up reverting into another Saddam Regime or Taliban. The majority of people in that region don't want to work for a stronger better, society, they want personal power and gain. The region is already full of people trying to destabilize it through assassinations and bombings, it is obvious people are trying to pick the region apart. I don't believe Islam - or any religion for that matter - is inherently evil. The people that interpret and control the religion are, on occasion.)

The support in the bible for the Kings of divine right was not that easily overlooked. But yes, islam has many more rules and is different from christianity in that it is not a sunday religion but has rules for most actions and days. It is much more similar to orthodox judaism there.
Subject Author Posted

Frightening: Huckabee and Clinton winning the Iowa polls

Rade January 01, 2008 04:02PM

Clinton's strengths:

Balrahd(VIP) January 02, 2008 05:43PM

One good thing to remember about polls

Lokain January 01, 2008 09:40PM

On Politics..txt

bad-ivan January 01, 2008 06:04PM

you hang out with some real morons. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 01:33PM

Yeah.

Death_Claw January 02, 2008 07:55AM

Ha. Good post and it's very similar to what I've seen. RON PAUL! nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 02, 2008 07:17AM

First of all You Handle Is Bad-Ivan... Uhg. =)

Pro January 02, 2008 06:14AM

But I'm for Civics taking higher precedence earlier

Pro January 02, 2008 06:16AM

Re: Frightening: Huckabee and Clinton winning the Iowa polls

Isildur(VIP) January 01, 2008 05:00PM

Either way, you dad is voting Democrat if he does stay home. n/t

Pro January 02, 2008 05:25AM

Not really. txt

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 06:15AM

True. But it's like a .22 vs a 12 guage.

Pro January 02, 2008 11:58AM

Good grief, Huckabee would mean another religious fanatic in the white house, just what we need. :( ~

happyorb January 01, 2008 09:20PM

For the record...txt

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 06:16AM

Sincere bible thumpers scare me more... ~

happyorb January 02, 2008 06:58AM

Huckabee is too 'televangelist' for me, oh.. and a bigot

Rade January 01, 2008 07:16PM

America has lots of televangelist biggots, sadly. n/t

Death_Claw January 02, 2008 07:47AM

Unless you are Evangelical. n/t

Pro January 02, 2008 08:14AM

How is this relevant to Islam?

The Forsaken(VIP) January 02, 2008 07:13AM

What do you mean?

cenatar January 02, 2008 08:14AM

Yeah I hate them. Ooooh ya got me.

Pro January 02, 2008 08:17AM

The situation in the Middle East is cocktail of..

istirith January 02, 2008 08:33AM

Exactly wrong.

Pro January 02, 2008 09:02AM

No..

istirith January 02, 2008 09:19AM

I still think that Friedman's book addressed this the best.

The Forsaken(VIP) January 02, 2008 12:23PM

I've got to be honest, I've never read that book.

istirith January 02, 2008 07:42PM

The typical Arab is paid with oil susidies

Pro January 02, 2008 11:51AM

When was the last time..

istirith January 02, 2008 12:12PM

Yes.

The Forsaken(VIP) January 02, 2008 12:18PM

Which I agree with..

istirith January 02, 2008 06:47PM

You are ignoring some parts

cenatar January 02, 2008 09:14AM

And some Islamic Values are unAmerican IMHO.

Pro January 02, 2008 06:27AM

Are you fucking kidding me?

cenatar January 02, 2008 08:05AM

Why would I be kidding?

Pro January 02, 2008 08:12AM

Re: Why would I be kidding?

cenatar January 02, 2008 08:16AM

How about Liberty for one and we can stop there. n/t

Pro January 02, 2008 08:17AM

Liberty?

cenatar January 02, 2008 08:27AM

Re: Liberty?

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 10:58AM

True but

cenatar January 02, 2008 11:04AM

Re: True but

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 11:31AM

We aren't talking about anything except Islam. n/t

Pro January 02, 2008 08:33AM

My point was

cenatar January 02, 2008 08:48AM

You still aren't talking about Islam.

Pro January 02, 2008 09:00AM

Re: You still aren't talking about Islam.

cenatar January 02, 2008 09:10AM

But even disregarding the past...

The Forsaken(VIP) January 02, 2008 09:34AM

You people are all being idiots...

Java January 02, 2008 11:20AM

I think you jumped to a terribly wrong conclusion.

The Forsaken(VIP) January 02, 2008 12:14PM

Way to avoid Java's point

Rade January 03, 2008 09:20AM

I'll address it. txt

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 05:05PM

You either don't read a post or read way too much into it. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 03, 2008 10:05AM

Re: I think you jumped to a terribly wrong conclusion.

istirith January 02, 2008 06:43PM

Well said. n/t

Pro January 02, 2008 06:20PM

Not true.

Pro January 02, 2008 11:55AM

Re: Not true.

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 01:28PM

I find that hard to believe.

Pro January 02, 2008 03:53PM

Re: I find that hard to believe.

Rade January 03, 2008 07:48AM

Re: I find that hard to believe.

The Forsaken(VIP) January 03, 2008 08:06AM

How is that relevant?

Rade January 03, 2008 08:39AM

Re: How is that relevant?

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 04:44PM

Thank God Christian's aren't very good at following the Bible either

Rade January 06, 2008 06:48PM

Re: Thank God Christian's aren't very good at following the Bible either

Isildur(VIP) January 07, 2008 06:01AM

Re: How is that relevant?

Pro January 03, 2008 11:53AM

Re: But even disregarding the past...

cenatar January 02, 2008 09:44AM

I agree with him on the no separation between Mosque and state part. nt

istirith January 02, 2008 09:51AM

Re: I agree with him on the no separation between Mosque and state part. nt

cenatar January 02, 2008 10:01AM

Re: I agree with him on the no separation between Mosque and state part. nt

istirith January 02, 2008 11:58AM

Our governments have a large portion of laws rooted in Christian tradition.

Pro January 02, 2008 11:57AM

This whole sub-thread is silly

Rade January 02, 2008 04:38PM

I don't see anything negative against Islam in this statment.

Pro January 02, 2008 06:26AM

Re: Huckabee is too 'televangelist' for me, oh.. and a bigot

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 06:17AM

The author infers

Rade January 02, 2008 03:26PM

Re: The author infers

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 03:38PM

Re: The author infers

Rade January 02, 2008 04:28PM

Re: The author infers

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 05:06PM

Puzzling...

Rade January 02, 2008 06:48PM

Re: Puzzling...

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 06:33AM

Re: Puzzling...

Rade January 03, 2008 07:03AM

Re: Puzzling...

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 09:34AM

Re: Puzzling...

Rade January 03, 2008 10:11AM

Re: Puzzling...

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 10:20AM

also...txt

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 04:08PM

This is a fallacy about Christianity

Rade January 02, 2008 04:26PM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

illademn January 02, 2008 08:14PM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Rade January 03, 2008 07:44AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

illademn January 03, 2008 08:07AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Rade January 03, 2008 08:29AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Death_Claw January 03, 2008 10:39AM

I understand the difference completely

Rade January 03, 2008 11:45AM

Re: I understand the difference completely

Death_Claw January 03, 2008 12:49PM

I'm pretty sure everyone considers Papal worship blasphemy. (n/t)

illademn January 03, 2008 10:52AM

Re: I'm pretty sure everyone considers Papal worship blasphemy. (n/t)

Death_Claw January 03, 2008 10:56AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

illademn January 03, 2008 09:02AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Rade January 03, 2008 10:01AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

illademn January 03, 2008 11:06AM

You are freakishly ignorant(nt)

cenatar January 05, 2008 02:59AM

Shall I wallow in my stupidity, or will you enlighten me? (n/t)

illademn January 05, 2008 03:33AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Rade January 03, 2008 11:29AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

illademn January 05, 2008 04:15AM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Rade January 06, 2008 06:41PM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Isildur(VIP) January 02, 2008 05:00PM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

illademn January 02, 2008 06:19PM

Re: This is a fallacy about Christianity

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 06:39AM

Huh?

Rade January 03, 2008 07:16AM

Re: Huh?

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 09:44AM

Re: Huh?

The Forsaken(VIP) January 03, 2008 08:03AM

Re: Huh?

Rade January 03, 2008 08:13AM

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about Christianity.

Death_Claw January 03, 2008 10:03AM

Well.

The Forsaken(VIP) January 03, 2008 08:27AM

I'm not trying to define anything

Rade January 03, 2008 08:45AM

Re: Huh?

illademn January 03, 2008 08:12AM

Re: Huh?

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 10:08AM

Re: Huh?

illademn January 03, 2008 10:49AM

Re: Huh?

Isildur(VIP) January 03, 2008 05:26PM

I checked the definition of orthodox just to be sure

Rade January 02, 2008 06:50PM

Re: I checked the definition of orthodox just to be sure

illademn January 02, 2008 07:48PM

Except..

Java January 02, 2008 10:58AM

Clinton sold out. A good while ago. nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 01, 2008 05:48PM

Why would you even care? nt

Pro January 02, 2008 06:10AM

Why wouldn't I? We don't all ignore world politics. I follow a lot of Elections. nt

Yhorian(VIP) January 02, 2008 04:26PM



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