July 13, 2013 11:54PM
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"In court, the gunman is given the benefit of the doubt." in regards to the "Florida's expansive gun rights laws".
The most bullshit, nonsense ever said. The 'stand your ground' laws have two relevent bits - one - you're not required to retreat if you're in an area you have a right to be (which, in this case, he couldn't have retreated anyway since he was pinned so this doesn't even matter - it also doesn't remove the requirement that you believe you're in imminent danger of life and limb) and a second clause that says, if there's a clear body of evidence that this is the case, you can have the case dismissed (which didn't happen here anyway, though it should have). IF YOU REMOVE THESE LAWS, HE STILL GETS AQUITTED, BECAUSE THE UNDERLYING BURDEN OF PROOF IS THE SAME ITS BEEN FOR 100 YEARS GIVE OR TAKE.
None of that boils down to anyone being given the 'benefit of the doubt'. It just means if a reasonable person would believe that someone is trying to kill them, or inflict grave bodily harm to them (like attacking you with an axe or 20 lbs iron pipe or 3 people trying to assault you at the same time when you're by yourself), you're not required to try to retreat if you have a right to be there and finally, if this is clearly the case, there's no point wasting the court's time and giving great expense to the defendent.
If someone disagrees with that I'd like to know why, because its stupid that *EVERY STATE* doesn't have these laws but they're certainly not a free pass to go around shooting the hell out of people or anything.
Then of course you have the dipshits in the comments "Racism and vigilanteism are still very much alive in many states in this nation." Vigilanteism? Really? This is a major problem in your neighborhood? Batman's running around shooting up the town you say? It's so pathetic how these people are it really is. When someone follows you through an apartment complex the appropriate response is not to mount them and pound their skull into the pavement. A normal person would just, I don't know, go home. Saying that this guy should spend the rest of his life in jail for defending himself is absurd and that'd be the real tragedy.
I have to really ask what kind of people are *not in favor* of people being able to *defend themselves*. This would apply equally if the races were reversed and if Trayvon Martin had a gun and was confronted by Zimmerman who was holding a gun and Martin decided to shoot him out of fear for his life, at least he wouldn't have had to *turn his back first and try to flee* while trying to not get killed. If that happens, Martin doesn't even get charged and this is not a story. Hell, if George Zimmerman's name didn't sound Jewish/White and was more hispanic sounding, this also wouldn't be a story.
**Edited again, reading through more comments**
There's really so many people who don't know shit about anything, don't know anything about this case, don't know anything about the law, don't know anything about anything. Wow.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2013 12:05AM by Death_Claw.
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