Posted by Bubba on October 2, 2000 at 18:57:09:
In Reply to: Re: Am I the ONLY one? posted by The First Apostle on October 2, 2000 at 13:02:56:
> > That is tired of seeing "exceptions" in Sylvan?
> >
> > I was sylvan when they stopped letting warriors/shamans etc in. I agreed.
> >
> > Then came a slew of "exceptions"...Pikel being the most visable.
>
> To be honest, there hasn't been a "slew" of exceptions. I can think
> of what.. four? Pikel, and Jaemaen... both of which had to work to
> get inducted... there was Imansh.. who am I missing in terms of Sylvan
> shamans? Not exactly a slew.. (besides the current one)
>
>
> > Then After Pikel imm'ed I heard from an imm source that "there will be NO more shaman sylvans"
>
> Please.. don't pull a Graatch. Making wild unsupported claims doesn't help
> your argument any
>
> > Hell...it even sais in the SYLVAN HELP FILE basically no shamans.
>
> there are always exceptions IF the rp is strong enough
>
>
> > Am I saying that they are not gifted rpers....no.
>
> This is part of the reason in a nutshell. If they are strong rpers with a well
> thought out role which they stick to.. why should shamans be excluded completely?
>
> > What I am saying, is that there is only one real reason to play a sylvan shaman...and that is to pk...alot.
>
> Utilizing that thinking:
>
> There is only one real reason to try to lich
> There is only one real reason to master all your invoker spells
> There is only one real reason to play a mid 20s duergar rager
> There is only one real reason to role an air form transmuter (well ok not anymore)
> There is only one real reason to roll an evil entropy arial assassin
>
> My point being there are plenty of players who choose the race/class/cabal combo to optimize
> the pk ability. Why don't you see too many half elf paladins?
>
> Your assertion may be true in some cases, but considering I've had extensive
> knowledge of a couple of Sylvan shaman, I can say they were both well played
> and not focused on the pk aspect.
>
>
> > But then you get these people who know how to rp, and they realize that with a little effort, they can get a really powerfull class/cabal combo. So they think up an rp that will fit. work it for a while, and are granted sylvanship.
>
> With little effort? Do you have first hand knowledge of each of the routes these "exceptions"
> had to go through?
>
> > It is kindof making me sick. See a druid try for arbies, and short of losing his sups, he is not going to get in.
>
> Ok.. come with a strong roleplay reason why a shaman should never be a Sylvan? Mother nature does
> have a "vengeful" aspect to her. Why wouldn't a shaman be an extension of this?
>
> > See an a-p go for troup, and short of losing all his spells and questing to change aligns, he is not going to get in.
>
> Do you know for sure?
>
> > See a ranger go for empire, and short of losing wilderness famil, he is not going to get in.
>
> Of course there are other ways for a ranger to aid the empire.. and you do realize that the dark gods
> to have some power.
>
>
> > Why?
> >
> > Game Balance. Plain and simple.
> >
> > I DO beleive that rp should warrant benefits.
> >
> > But when the "Exception" becomes so popular that it is COMMONPLACE...is it really the exception anymore?
>
> You claim these are quite common. Go into detail. Is there currently a glutton of
> shaman in Sylvan right now? Seriously, if this is the case, you have a strong point.
> But, you can't discount the fact that these players may have earned their spot in
> the Warders, and you can count on that they'll be watched. Uller and Sebeok are quite
> involved with that cabal.
>
>
>
> My biggest concern regarding Sylvan? Not enough druids.. I plan to make my small contribution. ;)