Posted by Tastagro on December 10, 2000 at 21:05:22:
In Reply to: No, the point is... posted by Hammon on December 8, 2000 at 21:39:06:
> That you are either an idiot, or a liar. You said you SAW me take things from the pit, that you had 4 witnesses who will swear that I took things from the pit. But the fact remains, reality and your view have, thusfar in every complaint you have made, had nothing to do with each other whatsoever.
***It was a simple mistake on *where* you took the items. But you DID look into the pit for some odd reason. Right before you picked up everything you could with your guards, tipped your hat, and fled the village.
> > Here is the point, yes I am wrong about it being from the pit
***This is where you being a moron kicks in. Tastagro is a LIGHTED thief. Kind of amazing that he would be carrying around an evil hammer. I do believe it's anti-good as well. Kind of strange... but hey, Arbiter's Rule dude...
> >and looting anything from a cabal, using your guard is an abuse of your power
***First of all, the name is Tastagro. If your going to disrespect the character, atleast spell the name right. Again, moron attack. No one sneaking dropped anything. The ghoul was carrying the items and the mage sac'ed the corpse. Cal, your mortal leader, confirmed this with me later that night. And when I asked for my items back, you would have noticed that someone handed them too me. The storm giant was actually handing them to me. But being a little greedy bastard, makes sense you wouldn't notice that either.
> As for whiny, I'm not the one who sends a note to the arbiters everytime someone farts in the direction of my cabal, crying foul over things that are pretty clearly made up bullshit. You bitched about whatsisugly being a criminal, but when I got to TV he was thirsting. Thirsting in town is illegal. Either way he was breaking the law. You swore the witnesses were masters, which they weren't by the way, and that cabalmates shouldn't be able to testify for someone, but in the exact same breath you tell me you have all of these fine upstanding ragers who, while not lawful, are clearly as honorable as you. *laugh* Then you wonder why noone trusts ragers. Lying stupid bitch.
***Trusting a rager is no different then trusting any other character. You just associate us as criminals because we don't bend over and spread our cheecks for the Arbiters like Arbiters/Empire. Under Trasthe's leadership, I personally caught him doing something he really shouldn't have on three seperate occassions. I even brought it up with the immortals on occassions, but since without hard proof, nothing was done. The same disrespect is still being translated. But that really doesn't have much to do with the situation except for Battle doesn't get an equal shake the majority of the time.
> >If you had come in and taken them yourself I would >have no problem with it, but because you do it with >your guards you are making a conflict between arbiter
***I brought the point up about the guards with Cal. She didn't have to make the point. I did.
***Another moron attack. Again, it's Tastagro, but that isn't my problem. I specifically asked Cal why Grettial attacked the Destructor. I was told that Grettial DIDN'T attack the Destructor. That if she had attacked him, she would receive serious consequences. Now, I wonder how much you knew about what Grettial was told she could or couldn't do. It's a standing rule unless under acts of war, that Arbiters aren't to take overly aggressive acts against opposing cabals. There were 3-4 Tower there, and plenty of mobs. And Cal had no trouble tracking me down after I fled. There was no need to go as far as the Shrine had you been patient enough.
***Again, I remind you that mistakes do happen. The funny part about this is... she forgot where she was and someone ELSE had to point this out to her? So she flagged someone without doing a proper investigation, or atleast checking where she died. Have Cal locate the corpse.... would have been sufficient to determine that. Don't defend Grettial cause that's just a losing cause. She screwed up twice during this whole ordeal. Walking into the Destructor got missed, the mis-flag didn't. I hope the imms take notice.
***We expect to be treated no different than any other neutral/chaotic individual. But that doesn't happen. You take a neutral Master and a neutral Rager, Rager loses 75% of the time just on cabal affiliation alone.
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***I mentioned this before. There was very little chance of me getting out of that situation alive. 3-4 Masters with zombies and Zeglufin. I had no help at that point. Where was I going to run to? Cal flew to me and finished me off all by her little own self. Manacles meant nothing in the whole ordeal.
> >and you hurling insults left and right is a perfect example of you not being able to argue your stand point.
***I'm glad to see your making immortal decisions about her ability to continue to write notes. You seem to have such a grasp on things you should powerrank and immort as soon as possible because your intelligence and superior abilities are essential to the running of CF. Give me a break. You looted everything off the floor of the Shrine that a dead MOB was holding. Again, Cal confirmed this after she spoke to Zeglufin. Get YOUR facts straight before you start pissing your pants in a temper tantrum that a 3 year old would be proud of.
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***One final response. We all appreciate your opinions and support your ability to post them. But get off your soap box cause nobody cares that much what you think. And before you go off ranting and raving, all the info. I've posted here is truthful and can be checked with Cal.
Just so everyone understands: Grettial DID enter the Shrine with the Destructor alive, thus attacking it. Cal said she didn't and would be punished had she. You confirmed that yourself, much appreciated. You walked in with your guards, watched Zeglufin sac things and pick up stuff. Looked into the pit, looked at the room, then looted whatever you could get. I explained above, that the things were being handed to me one at a time and that the hammer I wouldn't be caught dead with. Lastly, Grettial made a huge mistake in flagging the rager so quickly before checking her facts. Which you support so vigorously. She made a bad mistake and you still stick up for her. To tell the truth, you as an individual doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that Cal took your word as gold when you really did make mistakes. She's responsible for your actions as your leader and she should give you the boot in the ass along with Grettial. But that's MY opinion.... enjoy.
Tast.
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> Well, according to you that was your complaint. You SWORE you saw me loot the pit. Which you now admit never happened. So shut up.
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> > however, you said that it came from the wanted person, so
> > you taking the stuff with your guard is ok. Now there is no
> > way that Tastagro was using a hammer of the Nephilim,
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> No? You mean thieves can't wield maces? Wow. Sure could have fooled me. Especially since he never stabbed or backstabbed during the fight, just tried jacking. Hmm...Maybe you're just being all full of shit again. Thats what I suspect the case is.
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> > as an arbiter, because using the guard to take >things is you acting as an arbiter, not the whiny >youngling ap you are.
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> Well if this isn't a twisted, nonsense run on sentence I don't know what is. Lets dissect it one bit at a time and see if we can make any sense of it. Testicle says to give him his things, next thing you see is a room full of eq dropped by soemone sneaking. Strikes me that this is their stuff. Fair game.
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> >and battle, because that is an act of war.
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> No. Your bitchy note was about me looting the pit, not about the use of guards. Take five minutes before your next whinefest. Think about exactly what it is you want to whine about, then make some small attempt to stand by what you say. Also having a clue might help.
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> >There were all kinds of
> > messed up things in that fight like Grettial disobeying a direct order
> Grettial was given an order not to hit the GIANT, and was under orders to be 100% certain to manacle testicle. If he wanted to hide out at the Dicksucker of magic, thats fine. Grettial did right. She ran in, flagged and got right out. I back her 100% on what she did. How you can claim to know what orders she was under when you are A. Not an arbiter and B. clearly a moron, is beyond me.
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> > a nicely timed raid by master coinciding with me turning myself in, which
> > we all know you sulk about the tower day and night, and a bull *** flag
> > that ended up getting removed because grettial had no leg to stand on with
> > giving it.
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> Another of your damn nonsense run on sentences. OK. You weren't turning yourself in, you got cut down. Theres a difference. The flag was removed because it was wrong. Grettial didn't think she was still inside of the village, but she was. When this was pointed out the flag was removed. Had she known she was wrong and let the flag stand, THAt would have been bullshit. As it was it was a simple mistake which was quickly remedied.
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> >With Khartos and kelbecso, and god knows who else, it >is obvious that many arbiters have a problem with >battle,
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> Maybe because you're all a bunch of whiny bitches, who aren't lawful but still expect to be treated as if you were.
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> >that is fine,
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> Good. I'm glad I have your approval. So shut up already.
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> >but when your an arbiter be an arbiter, you can't >come to battle with the fight and insults and not >expect war.
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> There was a criminal hiding at the destructor. Arbiters are permitted to do whatever they must to find a criminal and bring them to justice. If we aquire a cabals item in the process we are supposed to return them. Just sitting and hiding at your cabal doesn't make you safe from us. Moron.
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> Uhmm...My point all along has been that you are an utter fucking moron. Thats not an insult, that happens to be my point of view. I'm trying to see things from your point of view but I'm having problems getting my head that far up my ass. Actually everytime you send a bitchy whiny ass note, I very calmly explain in my response why you are wrong. I don't believe a single one has been insulting. I suggested in the last note that you have your note writing abilities removed, but thats not an insult. Its a helpful suggestion for dealing with someone who thinks that because things don't go their way a whiny ass note is the way to go. It's not. Its a waste of time for the immortals to sit through your stupid and inaccurate notes, then to come and ask me what the truth behind it is. Fortunately I keep logs of everything that happens involving you, and so its very easy for me to show just how huge an idiot you are. Which is why I'm still an arbiter and you're still being laughed at everytime you write a note.
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> > and while we're touching on the subject of bull *** >flags, the time you had witnesses in TV against a >villager, I'm sure the witnesses you had were
> > at least tower related, even if they weren't master, >because in reality that attack never happened.
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> Actually one was a lowbie warrior who happened to be practicing on beggars. The other was a mage, but not of the tower. So yet again let me review the steps for you when you bitch. Its open mouth, insert foot, then chew vigorously. Yet again you are wrong. So much for you being sure, eh? And as I said earlier, he was thirsting in TV when I got there. Thats illegal too.
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> In summation, I'm standing by my point of view that you are, without a doubt, the stupidest, whiniest, most pathetic example of why people hate ragers. You embody all of the things that make ragers look bad. All rolled up into one big whiny package.
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> Die.
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> Hammon.