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Posted by The Arcane(VIP, but lazy) on January 20, 2000 at 10:44:06:

In Reply to: Once again... posted by Graatch on January 20, 2000 at 07:11:13:

> 730 base mana?? What mages are *you* rolling? I gotta get me one of them.

I think we're talking a gnome mage who trains all hp.

Let's pretend 500hp, alright?

> > +40 (2 sandy brown desert cloaks or blood-soaked capes) = 770

> Two sandy brown desert cloaks, sure, I can see that.

> > +40 (2 pitch black rings) = 810

> Doable, yeah, though not very easy for some mages, especially if the man at arms is by the gate, so the invoker can't really use area spells.

Give me a break... any hero mage can get PB rings in a second. And there's about 8 man-at-arms, some of which are nowhere near the gates. And even if it is at the gate, the gate guards would die in one fireball--they're like level 10.

Alright... here's me starting over... to prove a point, a 100% non-limited hp suit, for a neutral mage:

2x pitch-black ring = 40
2x sandy brown desert cloak = 40
black chainmail = 30
mithril helmet = 15
snow worm leggings = 15
firewalker boots = 30
black steel gauntlets = 15
snow worm armguards = 15
skin from the snow leopard = 20
2x jewelled golden bracelet = 40
Wand of Orcus... er... wait... scratch that.
snow worm shield = 20

Total = +280hp

That's not shabby at all, and a level 40 character should be able to get all of that with ease, except maybe a transmuter with a non-combat minor.

And improving upon almost all of that is easy, if you allow even "common" limited items.

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But... Graatch (Also VIP, and also lazy at the office) 13:02:05 1/20/2000 (1)
- moron, the perfect gnome mage has around 780hp, 730hp is a good base hp, 1 train for con on the way up and 4 trains spare (n/t) Arolin 18:04:03 1/20/2000 (0)

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Comments:	> > 730 base mana?? What mages are you rolling? I gotta get me one of them. > I think we're talking a gnome mage who trains all hp. > Let's pretend 500hp, alright? > > > +40 (2 sandy brown desert cloaks or blood-soaked capes) = 770 > > Two sandy brown desert cloaks, sure, I can see that. > > > +40 (2 pitch black rings) = 810 > > Doable, yeah, though not very easy for some mages, especially if the man at arms is by the gate, so the invoker can't really use area spells. > Give me a break... any hero mage can get PB rings in a second. And there's about 8 man-at-arms, some of which are nowhere near the gates. And even if it is at the gate, the gate guards would die in one fireball--they're like level 10. > Alright... here's me starting over... to prove a point, a 100% non-limited hp suit, for a neutral mage: > 2x pitch-black ring = 40 > 2x sandy brown desert cloak = 40 > black chainmail = 30 > mithril helmet = 15 > snow worm leggings = 15 > firewalker boots = 30 > black steel gauntlets = 15 > snow worm armguards = 15 > skin from the snow leopard = 20 > 2x jewelled golden bracelet = 40 > Wand of Orcus... er... wait... scratch that. > snow worm shield = 20 > Total = +280hp > That's not shabby at all, and a level 40 character should be able to get all of that with ease, except maybe a transmuter with a non-combat minor. > And improving upon almost all of that is easy, if you allow even "common" limited items.

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