Posted by Graham on May 13, 2000 at 04:51:30:
In Reply to: Re: Graham (from below) posted by Shokai(IMM) on May 12, 2000 at 16:01:16:
Ok first i wish to say this.
With -anything- in the world that people do and enjoy i find it deeply saddening and disheartening when people lose faith and interest in what they do due outside machinations by others.
Specifically with regard to CF i do -deeply- enjoy the experience of CF, not all of it, parts of it (and obviously parts i don't enjoy , ie ranking) and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. One -huge- part of CF is the imms, i'll tar the whole lot of you with the one brush and say that you are all a good bunch of people
twist being group mate of the year, nepenthe being amusing, you taking the time to reply to my email, etc)
It would pain me to go causing you all trouble/misfortune/unhappiness
Now the problem is you seem to overrate the IRCheat experience, Dev's post explains a view of it brilliantly, yes people talk about things, no people don't list the specific answers to things beyond
(is that an actual quest in Hillcrest? No.)
There may be a bunch of no skill fucks going around blagging BLATANT info of others, MOST of them movers and shakers of #CF do NOT do such things, they offer hints and tips, advice and direction. It would RUIN the fun of the game if you had everything handed to you on a plate, just as it ruins everything if you are sitting there not knowing the exact syntax of how exactly to do what you know what you need to do.
How did people learn the boot quest? Observation...cf runs in groups of 3...for every one person that completes a quest 2 others very likely find out..and like a virus it is disseminated...
I go to #CF ALL the time, do i have a CLUE about anything in hell? No
Lost elven vaults? no
etc
You overstate the cause and effect laying it at IRC's door. IRC is a community point where people can talk about RANDOM shit for something to do..
Ask any of the people on IRC if they know who someone else is playing they will probably say yes, now ask them if that would prevent them from killing said person, they will say no.
Another thing i will state is this.
Do not look at Arolin as being typical of IRC, most of his cheating wasn't even done there he did same site shit mostly.
cheating is not rampant on irc
cheating is not rampant amongst the movers and shakers, inadvertant knowledge of certain things events does occurr.
people of the mindset of Arolin's "I cheated, I liked it, It was better than Cat's, I'll do it again and again" post
simply do NOT exist.
Arolin took pride in trying to subvert the course of carrionfields, people on #CF do NOT try and do this.
people cheat, yes
do i despise these cheats, yes
what do i class as cheating?
What do i NOT class as cheating (being against the spirit of the game/harming the game)
There are people who log onto #CF and say, "Damnit how do i do quest A"
guess what happens, they get slapped and kicked..
i'm repeating myself over and over i think but this is
A: I care about the imms
B: I care about carrionfields (in some twisted sense :-) )
C: I care about IRC , it allows me to chat to friendly people/argue whilst playing CF
(philisophical arguments break out over the relative merits of wierd shit, typically started by me)
I don't want to have to go to #SEX to twiddle my thumbs whilst carrionfields lulls to boredom.
Yes perhaps it is this tendency to go to IRC to chat to people which is actually the root cause of cf problems, where people would rather chat to ooc people than make the effort to talk ic which is one of the focal problems that irc causes but it is not cheating, there are numerous other methods for that and they typically exist for elite cliques outwith #CF (and of which i don't know any)
Graham,
definItely not apathetic about peoples feelings