Posted by Jaldean on June 7, 2000 at 12:25:22:
In Reply to: IC issue? posted by Forum Reader on June 7, 2000 at 09:38:51:
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> > As for not letting the mortal leaders declare war on other cabals... I'm barely going to touch on this one, since its an IC issue,
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> That's weak... that's really weak. It may be an IC issue, but it's a question
> brought up on the forum not to flame but to gain a little insight. If you don't
> want to share your thoughts fine, but don't hide behind the ic issue crap.
ic issue crap... I think that says enough right there, but ic issues on the forum/irc/etc are a whole different can of worms. What I meant is that there is an ic reason that this is the way it is, hence its something that can and should be discussed ic. And I think if I didn't want to share my thoughts, I wouldn't have posted, don't you?
> > but think where this would be open to abuse, if any leader could declare war on another cabal, since in order to participate in said war, the other cabal would basically commit themselves to getting flagged (ie dying) regularly.
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> Are you aware of the current situation with the ragers? My point in asking the
> question was to clarify that there may be the possibility to make war under extreme
> circumstances. Why can't Lords and Elders come to this decision. Perhaps with one
> of the arbiter immortals there to offer feedback. I'm not talking about every run
> of the mill situation, because I agree there is serious abuse potential, but what
> about the extreme?
First, to quote myself, "Thats not to say there aren't exceptions, but they are rare and far between." So yes, I agree with what you said. As for why the Lords and Elders can't come to this decision on their own... well, this policy was set up long before I was an Arbiter immortal, but if I were speculating, I'd say the potential for abuse was deemed TO much to allow the mortal leaders to decide. What other cabal besides Arbiters can you get denied from the game all together for breaking the rules of the cabal? (I'm speaking of an Arbiter flagging everyone, which has happened several times in the past.) Just speculation, mind.
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> > In additon to that, we tend to feel that if an Arbiter is concentrating on killing Ragers/Imperials/Sylvans/etc, that they aren't doing their job as Arbiters.
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> Of course, if you never have the book, they can't do their jobs can they? If I remember
> right you can't flag someone with the book gone. You can sit there and write notes until
> you are blue in the face but what does that accomplish?
Arbiters are allowed to get the Book back from anyone that takes it.
> > One of the questions I try to ask all applicants is "Who is our main enemy?" The answer isn't Entropy, its criminals, and that should be our focus. Thats not to say there aren't exceptions, but they are rare and far between.
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> Just to conclude with the point I tried to make from the start: Under extreme circumstances
> it should be feasible for the mortal arbiter leadership to wage war. There should be reprocusions
> when a cabal decides to wage a one sided war against the arbiters, and constantly takes the book.
> It's not about knowing who your enemies are, it's being able to enforce the law which is difficult
> to do when a cabal like the ragers have singled you out. If you choose to openly war against the
> arbiters there should be consequences.
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> Again I even wonder why you have Lords? To do the interviewing?
Under extreme circumstances, it IS possible for the Arbiter mortal leadership to wage war. But they need to justify it with the immortals first, since war with another cabal goes completely against rules that are written on the pillar and in the books. I can't think of any other cabal that allows its mortal leaders to break/change the rules of said cabal, without first discussing it with the immortals.
Now all that said, I can't remember once when a mortal Arbiter approached the Arbiter immortals and asked about this policy. Like I said initially, this is an IC issue, and nothing is going to change by discussing it on the forum. I'm not saying anything would change by discussing it in the game either, but thats where it would happen if its going to.
Jaldean