Posted by Imbrogno on June 13, 2000 at 11:13:17:
In Reply to: Most of your points are incorrect. posted by Um on June 13, 2000 at 10:56:45:
> Wrong. Minalcar inheirited a village of cabal hopping retards, the difference being that most cabal hoppers who got into battle generally weren't so stupid, but Rez inducted just about anybody who could type "mages bad". Under Rez's leadership, Battle had virtually no heroes. Under Min's leadership, Battle got a lot of heroes, a stricter induction policy, and a somewhat better class of rager.
He may have inherited a group of cabal hopping retards, but he leaves the village a s a group of cabal hopping retards as seen by the total lack of log-ins in the past week or so. I can't deny that Rezkirat was a sorry leader, my only contention is that Minalcar was FAR from the godsend that the person I originally replied to was making him out to be.
> God forbid there actually be a requirement that requires effort and slows down the induction of 285935689265 ragers like Rez did.
Again, I won't deny that there should be a requirement of some kind beyond "mage bad". I'm just saying that Minalcar may have inducted one or two good ragers, but the ragers are a cabal that rely on numbers to some extent, maybe not as much as Empire, but much much moreso than master, arbiter, or sylvan.
> > Third, Minalcar got the village involved in an unwinnable war. You don't beat the arbiters in a war because the arbiters can put you an exp hole as 4 or 5 ragers quickly found out last night. This war sped up the exodus process(Ayame-gone though she hasn't been a force in forever, Ioanis gone, Coaric gone, Iradrin gone though still alive, Hilsbred gone, Grulhurk gone, and countless others.
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> This too is wrong. The Arbiters take all the credit for the current condition of the village, when it's really the work of the Masters. The Arbiters jumped in and declared war when the Ragers hero ranges were already getting raped. You want an example? Last weekend or so, there were three Arbiter heroes on, one Lord, one Elder. Five decked hero ragers died in one night. Arlian, Magtograme, Coaric, Tyzendail, and someone else. How many of these were Arbiter kills? 0. How many were fucked by the Master gang? All.
Basing your point on one single night is silly. I've killed my share of rager heroes.
> Arbiter's sole contribution to the war is, generally speaking, lowbies to defend whoever has the head, a not inconsiderable contribution, but hardly the death knell for the Ragers.
This is 100% a BZZZZRT on your part. Only in the past week has there been lowbies to defend. Now, I'm not saying that the arbiters have sounded the death knell, but we are far more than a group of lowbie meat-shields. Yes, masters are making a great contribution and I won't deny that it's more than the Arbiter contribution, but any time you spread your forces onto more than one front you're asking for trouble. Most of the time I'm the one taking the blows against the Destructor. A good deal of the time I'm the one calling the people together to raid.
> Oh, and Rezkirat was the worst leader of the village since Nesam. The induction quality was completely awful, hardly any of his inductions even made it to 42, let alone show up now.
I can't remember the last great village leader. People loved Thror but I don't see it.
The point of the post wasn't to toot the horn of the arbiters, we're nothing great but we do what we do well enough.
The point was to show that Minalcar, if anything, contributed to this current fall of the village.