Anyone know if similar changes for AP's are in the works?

Anyone know if similar changes for AP's are in the works?:
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Posted by AP on June 30, 2000 at 09:24:24:

In Reply to: PALADINS + some ideas - Immortals please comment if able. posted by up-and comeing paladin on June 30, 2000 at 06:19:31:

> *** In no way am I trying to devulge any information on the new abilities ****
> Only those who are playing a paladin will understand anything of which i speak off.

> Tho I am not a Hero paladin yet, and thus unable to fairly judge the balance of it.
> What I can see worries me some what. If one chooses to dedicate shield He gains many benificial abilities and becomes a extrem master of the use of the shield. If one chooses to dedicate two-handed weapons he effectivly sacrifices shieldblock thus become a much much worse tank. Being restricted enough as a paladin in your weapon choice, It is even harder that the abilities you pick up can only be preformed with two-handed weapons. Ontop of that The skills that you selecet are further reduced to swords and maces only. Polearms tho two handed cannot be used (as far as i can see).
> Being restricted to being able to use two-handed weapons and swords and maces in particular is made even more finite with the MASSIVE lack of weapons avaliable.
> Dragon slayer being the only sword I can think of that is two handed useable by good alins and isnt ave 25 or below. For maces I can think of Mace of dragonis and Fordurn
> As you may guess these weapons arnt readily avalible untill you are of high rank. True you are not forced to use these, you can still use the other weapons and a shield.
> I've spent close to 15 hours useing the skills gained by Paladins who dedicate to two-handed weapons. Yet they have not improved once. And the benifits From the skills seem to hold little benifit. I tested every single skill on a willing party to see the outcome, Nothing that ive gathered so far comes close to the gains recieved from dedicating shield.

> If All goes well I will be able to continue on towards Hero level and be able to determin more on the dedication.

> Some suggestions for the immortals:
> - Make some of the current standing weapons two handed.
> - Allow the dedicated Two-handed weapon skills to be used by other weapons.
> - Utilise Polearm , Id expected to see its use in the dedication.
> - Give a similar bonus to parry for the dedicated two-handed weapon paladins, as you did for the shield blockers. Or perhaps a dodge ability.
> - ease up the learning rate on the skills.
> - Perhaps make some of the skills passive
> - Perhaps have sub help files on the skills avalible. Haveing a skill and seeing a message followed by some damage isnt usefull if you dont know what it truely does.

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They were somewhat recently revised, and they're quite viable at all ranks. There are several other classes i'd like to see retouched first. (n/t) Proud Blade(VIP) 09:29:10 6/30/2000 (5)
- Even though thieves are great...it sucks that there isn't anything to look forward to in higher ranks compelling you to raise levels..n/t TSM 11:41:47 6/30/2000 (4)
  - Yep. (text) Proud Blade(VIP) 12:11:51 6/30/2000 (0)
  - ok we'll move backstab to rank 45..is that good enough? Graham 11:52:04 6/30/2000 (0)
  - *agrees wholeheartedly* (n/t) (: Kingsley :) 11:45:16 6/30/2000 (0)
  - Errr...The point of that was that thieves could use a little tweak...n/t TSM.. 11:44:36 6/30/2000 (0)

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Comments:	> > * In no way am I trying to devulge any information on the new abilities ** > > Only those who are playing a paladin will understand anything of which i speak off. > > > Tho I am not a Hero paladin yet, and thus unable to fairly judge the balance of it. > > What I can see worries me some what. If one chooses to dedicate shield He gains many benificial abilities and becomes a extrem master of the use of the shield. If one chooses to dedicate two-handed weapons he effectivly sacrifices shieldblock thus become a much much worse tank. Being restricted enough as a paladin in your weapon choice, It is even harder that the abilities you pick up can only be preformed with two-handed weapons. Ontop of that The skills that you selecet are further reduced to swords and maces only. Polearms tho two handed cannot be used (as far as i can see). > > Being restricted to being able to use two-handed weapons and swords and maces in particular is made even more finite with the MASSIVE lack of weapons avaliable. > > Dragon slayer being the only sword I can think of that is two handed useable by good alins and isnt ave 25 or below. For maces I can think of Mace of dragonis and Fordurn > > As you may guess these weapons arnt readily avalible untill you are of high rank. True you are not forced to use these, you can still use the other weapons and a shield. > > I've spent close to 15 hours useing the skills gained by Paladins who dedicate to two-handed weapons. Yet they have not improved once. And the benifits From the skills seem to hold little benifit. I tested every single skill on a willing party to see the outcome, Nothing that ive gathered so far comes close to the gains recieved from dedicating shield. > > If All goes well I will be able to continue on towards Hero level and be able to determin more on the dedication. > > Some suggestions for the immortals: > > - Make some of the current standing weapons two handed. > > - Allow the dedicated Two-handed weapon skills to be used by other weapons. > > - Utilise Polearm , Id expected to see its use in the dedication. > > - Give a similar bonus to parry for the dedicated two-handed weapon paladins, as you did for the shield blockers. Or perhaps a dodge ability. > > - ease up the learning rate on the skills. > > - Perhaps make some of the skills passive > > - Perhaps have sub help files on the skills avalible. Haveing a skill and seeing a message followed by some damage isnt usefull if you dont know what it truely does.

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